So, Lana Torrin (best Torrin) has managed to scam Joe out of 800 million isk.
And, she has graciously handed half the take over to the IEEE...to help with our investigation, and filled me in with some of the details of the scam.
With that, here's the ensuing conversation.
Zedrik Cayne > Hi Joe...
Joe Phoenix > what do you want cayne?
Zedrik Cayne > I hear through the grapevine that you're going to setup a pos.
Zedrik Cayne > You...might want to check your wallet before you do that.
Zedrik Cayne > http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1254385
Joe Phoenix > i do wish people would stop making up storied, its very tiersom
Zedrik Cayne > Lana does not casually send 400 mil as a donation to fund the war.
Joe Phoenix > why not? 400m aint exactly alot
Joe Phoenix > and niether is 800m, i might add
Zedrik Cayne > Much more than you have in your wallet right now I'm guessing.
Joe Phoenix > much less actuelly :)
Zedrik Cayne > For someone who was just bragging about having reached his first billion...its not exactly chump change.
Zedrik Cayne > Want to bet?
Joe Phoenix > and considering that the thread is bs, it has +800m more then you think
Joe Phoenix > that was weeks ago?
Zedrik Cayne > I'm guessing...at your current burn rate, the amounts you said you were making...
Zedrik Cayne > 300 mil?
Zedrik Cayne > 350 mil tops if you've been doing those anomalies with any speed.
Joe Phoenix > try x15 and you might get close :)
Joe Phoenix > i must say all thouse covert op cloaks have really been helping things along.
Joe Phoenix > all of your little minions running around after me, geting blown to pieces by, once by their own bomb! that was funny lol
Zedrik Cayne > I'm glad you're enjoying the loot. Must make replacing a drake a day easier.
Joe Phoenix > meh when your fitted with shitty tech one equipement it doesn't really hurt. and since i actuelly make money on drake hull losses im not worried.
Joe Phoenix > can't say the same for you?
Joe Phoenix > now is thier any other forum dribble you would like to show me? maybe one of your threads?
Joe Phoenix > no?
Zedrik Cayne > Not really. But your spelling and punctuation are getting remarkably better.
Joe Phoenix > Oh really? i was just getting annoyed and chubby chaisers like yourself having a go at lazy spelling :D
Zedrik Cayne > Now...we were having a perfectly civil conversation and you have to go and insult me.
Zedrik Cayne > Well...a relatively civil conversation.
Joe Phoenix > im sorry cayne your face just prevokes hostility...
Zedrik Cayne > I'm terribly sorry you're feeling so hostile. Maybe you should resign..take a load off...then folks would stop hounding you. I hear retirement is relaxing.
Joe Phoenix > you really have taken that insult personally haven't you?
Zedrik Cayne > Me? No.
Joe Phoenix > oh really....
Zedrik Cayne > Others have. Very viscerally.
Joe Phoenix > and yet with all these griefers on your side you still cannot break me... and its driving you instain...
Zedrik Cayne > You speak of this as if it was an achievement.
Joe Phoenix > oh isn't it?
Zedrik Cayne > Well, there is no game mechanic that I can use to force you out. If there were one, I would have executed it at some point.
Zedrik Cayne > So, your basic achievement, is relying on a game mechanic to not lose.
Joe Phoenix > this has been going on for 5months now btw
Zedrik Cayne > Yup.
Joe Phoenix > you can't see the problem with that?
Zedrik Cayne > And at ten or twelve million a week..Given that I'm 400-ish richer right now...its not seeing a financial end for quite some time.
Joe Phoenix > yes well went i get empire control level five, we will :)
Zedrik Cayne > Oh, so you didn't tick the skill over like you claimed weeks ago?
Joe Phoenix > no unfortunatly i was told wrong
Joe Phoenix > i was told you only needed level 1...
Zedrik Cayne tsks...."Was it an outright lie? Or did you just fail reading comprehension?"
Joe Phoenix > but thats help chat for you.
Zedrik Cayne > You do know that the information is all on the eve-wiki...right?
Joe Phoenix > yerrrr but im really really lazy :)
Zedrik Cayne > Not really a quality you'd like to see in a CEO now is it?
Joe Phoenix > yer well nobody is 100% PERFECT
Joe Phoenix > im only like...
Joe Phoenix > 98
Joe Phoenix > 97% perfect
Joe Phoenix > OH by the way send somthing throw my lettebox again and i'l send you somthing back.
Zedrik Cayne > I didn't send you anything Joe. I actually doubt you received anything.
Joe Phoenix > oh i wouldn't
Joe Phoenix > and you know how easy it would be to get hold of your home address?
Zedrik Cayne > Actually no. But do tell.
Joe Phoenix > very
Zedrik Cayne > Joe. I seriously doubt you could figure it out. You can't figure out how to find information on the wiki.
Joe Phoenix > its simply logging an IP address and tracking it back using an IP address finder....
Joe Phoenix > now that would be unplesent now wouldn't it...
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, you're not scaring anyone. Really. You can't handle your in-game life. You're over in Jolly old England somewhere (unless you're lying about your world location...who knows.)
Joe Phoenix > yer post can get out of england, you do know that right?
Joe Phoenix > anyway i would never do anything like that...
Joe Phoenix > but aparently you would....
Zedrik Cayne > You can keep repeating that. Like I said, I've not sent you anything and I doubt you have received anything.
Joe Phoenix > and i know your lieing.
Zedrik Cayne > Actually...re-reading this...it sounds suspiciously like you are threatening to send me....A LETTER...DUN DUN DUN.
Zedrik Cayne > Will it be strongly worded?
Joe Phoenix > ROFL why on earth would i send you a letter?
Zedrik Cayne > I'm not sure... I'm not you.
Joe Phoenix > well you send me one... why did u send me one?
Zedrik Cayne > I've not sent you anything. And I doubt you've received anything.
Joe Phoenix > you can keep saying that but it doesn't change the fact that you sent one.
Zedrik Cayne > Ah, but there's a difference Joe. Most folks will believe me when I say 'I have not sent you anything'.
Zedrik Cayne > You on the other hand, have multiple people say that you have lied to their faces. (well..typed lies at them)
Joe Phoenix > which youv got under duress obveasly
Zedrik Cayne > Did you suddeny get to watch some Court TV or something?
Joe Phoenix > what?
Zedrik Cayne > You've suddenly acquired words a barrister might use. Just wondering where you've gotten the ideas.
Joe Phoenix > ermmm the english language?
Joe Phoenix > anyway cayne your boring me...
Joe Phoenix > do you do any tricks?
Zedrik Cayne > Not really.
Joe Phoenix > oh well, you can just continue to provide me with lols
Zedrik Cayne > I'm glad you're enjoying yourself. And so is everyone else....believe me.
Joe Phoenix > i can't really see how funny it is.... 5months down the line your still following me around like a lap dog and im still laughing in your face.
Zedrik Cayne > Well...I can't top that. I don't think I could top that if I tried really...really hard.
Zedrik Cayne > Have a good one Joe.
Wednesday, January 20, 2010
Joe Show...An Enemy's Advice.
This chat is a few days old...been sitting on it. Joe's Zephyr managed to get dead on Jita 4-4 undock while one of his wartargets were watching.
Eventually, the conversation turns around to some of the best advice that Joe has recieved to date.
w1lds1n3 > I hope that wasn't your only Zephyr...
Joe Phoenix > ofcourse it was, you only got one
w1lds1n3 > Sorry for your loss.
w1lds1n3 > Actually, not really.
Joe Phoenix > its worth fuck all
w1lds1n3 > So I guess you didn't profit from that loss, eh? :)
Joe Phoenix > its hard ot profit from what is basicly a shuttle
Joe Phoenix > but yer i did
w1lds1n3 > Sure you did.
Joe Phoenix > no i did... really
Joe Phoenix > 2k
w1lds1n3 > I'm sure 2000 ISK will go a long way to fueling the war effort :)
Joe Phoenix > look after the pennies :P
w1lds1n3 > Shame, you could have sold it for at least 10mil
w1lds1n3 > I've seen them sell for as much as 100
w1lds1n3 > So if you consider your potential profit, you lost, big time.
Joe Phoenix > i don't know why...
Joe Phoenix > i could get 5 on them today for free
w1lds1n3 > Pics or it didn't happen/
Joe Phoenix > what?
w1lds1n3 > Nevermind.
w1lds1n3 > You know Joe, this investigation has been going on for 5 months now, and more and more people keep joining in. Do you think this is ever going to die down as long as you keep opening your mouth and providing everyone entertainment?
Joe Phoenix > well if idiots believe zedrik cayne what can u do.
Joe Phoenix > its wierd since i haven't said anything publicly for months.
w1lds1n3 > But you've said plenty in private, and I've inspected the log files myself, nothing has been faked, and you know it.
Joe Phoenix > ahhha yer right w1ld
w1lds1n3 > I don't need to believe Zedrik when all the evidence I've seen from other people's accounts, and my own talks with you point to the truth.
Joe Phoenix > what do you actuelly want wld, im very busy
w1lds1n3 > Zedrik is an honorable man. If you met his very simple terms, this would all be over. You could make an alt, put him in the CEO seat, and never speak a word on him, and still remain the "leader" and public face of the IC.
w1lds1n3 > And the IEEE and the rest of us would move on.
Joe Phoenix > AHHA
Joe Phoenix > sorry
Joe Phoenix > natural reaction
w1lds1n3 > The only one keeping this going is you, Joe.
Joe Phoenix > when i hear zedrik and honorable in the same sentance i have uncontrolable laught that sets in.
w1lds1n3 > Zedrik keeps his word. The same cannot be said for you.
w1lds1n3 > I hear Damien is still waiting for his manticore.
Joe Phoenix > ermmm yes it can
Joe Phoenix > i killed damien, he was a war target!
w1lds1n3 > You told him that you'd replace his ship.
Joe Phoenix > if he gets me zedriks corpse
Joe Phoenix > OH
Joe Phoenix > he must have missed that part out!
w1lds1n3 > But that's besides the point, the point is, all you'd need to do to end this is switch spots with an alt.
w1lds1n3 > As long as you keep your mouth shut, nobody would know.
Joe Phoenix > ahha yer and thats the point.
w1lds1n3 > And the investigation goes away. I give you my personal promise that as soon as this investigation is concluded to Zed's satisfaction, I will retract my own wardec.
Joe Phoenix > ahha you just don't get it,,
w1lds1n3 > What is there to get?
w1lds1n3 > You seem to throw that phrase around a lot, but you never can articulate what there is to get.
w1lds1n3 > Zedrik isn't doing this because he's out to get you, he's doing it because he's looking after the best interests of your corporations members. As long as you're CEO and calling the shots, they'll be in danger.
w1lds1n3 > You do not fulfill your duties as CEO by training them, leading them, or treating them with respect.
Joe Phoenix > bollucks!
w1lds1n3 > And don't tell me you do, because our many spies we've had in your corp say otherwise.
Joe Phoenix > that is bollucks and you know it.
w1lds1n3 > Well then we'll have to agree to disagree then, because the reports from the spies are quite damning.
w1lds1n3 > Spies and former members that is.
Joe Phoenix > infomation under duress is worth fuck all and you know it.
w1lds1n3 > Duress? I camped one of your members, but I did not kill him. I told him about the investigation, the current wars, and the danger he faced. He responded by telling me that he was not made aware of any of this by you, and made a decision to leave
w1lds1n3 > I then let him go unharmed.
w1lds1n3 > That's just ONE example.
w1lds1n3 > There have been many similar accounts.
Joe Phoenix > oh yer and the 20m didn't come into this at all
w1lds1n3 > I haven't paid a single ISK to any of your members.
w1lds1n3 > Paknac helped one of your already departed members get back on his feet, since he was completely broke.
w1lds1n3 > That was after he left.
Joe Phoenix > yer yer
Joe Phoenix > w1ld i cant stand liers... so stop trying to pull it off on me ok?
w1lds1n3 > I do not have any reason to lie to you.
Joe Phoenix > ofcourse you do
Joe Phoenix > zedrik is porbably paying you
w1lds1n3 > Believe it or not Joe, I am trying to help you out here by trying to reason with you.
w1lds1n3 > Hhaha, I wish he was...
w1lds1n3 > That'd be some nice easy income.
w1lds1n3 > Sadly that's not the case.
w1lds1n3 > I'm doing this of my own choice.
w1lds1n3 > As are my corpmates.
Joe Phoenix > for an attempt at fame
Joe Phoenix > which is very sad, i might just add
w1lds1n3 > Well, I won't lie, the attention is nice.
w1lds1n3 > A CEO has to make a name for himself and his corporation somehow.
w1lds1n3 > But that's not the main reason I'm doing it, that's just a welcome bonus.
w1lds1n3 > I told you Joe, I do not lie, for I have no reason to.
Joe Phoenix > by griefing a corp...
Joe Phoenix > on the band waggon of an insain syco
w1lds1n3 > Well, I am psychotic. Or at least, my character is.
w1lds1n3 > I have never denied that.
Joe Phoenix > you just don't get it.
w1lds1n3 > Enlighten me then.
Joe Phoenix > zedrik is boardering on getting banned
w1lds1n3 > Zedrik has no crossed that line yet.
w1lds1n3 > We'll see if and when he gets banned.
Joe Phoenix > i get a letter through my front door the other day... he's crossed the line
w1lds1n3 > And besides, the worst he'd get for a first offence is a temporary ban.
w1lds1n3 > Oh? And what did it say, Joe.
Joe Phoenix > i don't really want to say to be honest
w1lds1n3 > Then who was it from?
Joe Phoenix > wrather unplesent
Joe Phoenix > you think they'd give me a return address? or sign it?
w1lds1n3 > I am quite certain Zed would not stoop to the level of invading your personal life. If this letter really does exist, I can guarantee you it was not sent by Zedrik at the least.
w1lds1n3 > If you can't prove who sent it, then I don't see any bans forthcoming.
w1lds1n3 > Look Joe, I am trying to help you. Lets look at the facts, disregarding any personal issues:You are one man against an army of people who outclass you in skills and numbers. Because you don't seem to care about training your members
w1lds1n3 > you can't look to them for help.
w1lds1n3 > You've tried many things to dodge this war, from hiding in wormholes, to hiding in protected NRDS space
w1lds1n3 > Neither of which as stopped you from getting killed.
Joe Phoenix > no your not!
Joe Phoenix > your trying to make me loss this war
w1lds1n3 > Of course I am, because if you look at the facts, you'd realize that as of now, you *can't* win.
w1lds1n3 > I am trying to help you by making you see that you can end this, by losing. And then you can go on your merry way and do whatever you want.
w1lds1n3 > And no, simply surviving and continuing on isnt winning.
w1lds1n3 > That's just stubborness
Joe Phoenix > defiance againest impossible odds is in my blood.
w1lds1n3 > Whatever you feel is worth your subscription fees then... I can't imagine you think this is particularily fun.
Joe Phoenix > i don't pay for the game
w1lds1n3 > defiance against all logic and reason is not a virtue, Joe.
Joe Phoenix > oh there is always a reason
Joe Phoenix > thus there is always some kind of logic.
w1lds1n3 > A reasonable man would cut his losses, lick his wounds, and move on in this situation.
w1lds1n3 > Have I surrendered to wars before? Of course, because I was left with few other options.
Joe Phoenix > now i think your more concerned that zedrik will loss alot of respect if he losses the war with us.
Joe Phoenix > and that W1ld, is why nobody will remember your name...
w1lds1n3 > You still seem to be under the impression that the only reason I'm in this is for the fame.
w1lds1n3 > It's not.
Joe Phoenix > well then you must be an idiot
w1lds1n3 > And Zedrik will not lose. Not militarily anyway. Maybe he'll eventually get bored.
w1lds1n3 > Maybe I will too.
w1lds1n3 > So I'm an idiot now because I *don't* care if I get famous?
Joe Phoenix > you will, because i won't lose
w1lds1n3 > Boy you sure change your tune a lot.
Joe Phoenix > no your an idiot because you think blowing people up and attempting to destroy there home will somhow be positive for them?
w1lds1n3 > Yes, I do. My first few wars shaped my characters into what they are today. I used to be a carebear/industrialist. Now I have more fun destroying things than blowing them up.
w1lds1n3 > *creating them
w1lds1n3 > What you don't understand is how this war has evolved.
w1lds1n3 > It started as a simple violation of "standards and practices".
w1lds1n3 > Roleplay, basically.
w1lds1n3 > But you have made it deeply personal.
w1lds1n3 > If you can't realize that, than I really do pity you.
Joe Phoenix > you seem to believe i actuelly give a crap about zedriks little rules
w1lds1n3 > It's not about the standards or the practices anymore Joe.
w1lds1n3 > You crossed that line by insulting him, and his family, and just about anyone else who's aligned with him since.
Joe Phoenix > and why shouldn't i..
Joe Phoenix > iv had x1000 more insults
w1lds1n3 > Insults against your character, maybe. You really don't seem to be a good CEO. But I, nor Zedrik, have stooped to the level of insulting you personally
Joe Phoenix > oh enough about the bollucks ceo thing
w1lds1n3 > I would like to think that I myself anyway, have treated you with respect, even if I don't receive any from you.
Joe Phoenix > you just say that when you don't take into account the pressure the corp is under
Joe Phoenix > its stupid.
w1lds1n3 > The pressure your corp is under is entirely of your own making.
Joe Phoenix > no you'v been insulting...
w1lds1n3 > And entirely within your power to stop.
Joe Phoenix > ermm not really
w1lds1n3 > Joe, your corporation is a democracy, yes?
Joe Phoenix > because zedrik doesn't want a little corp showing eve that he has no power..
Joe Phoenix > no
w1lds1n3 > Well, even if it isn't, do you not think it would be appropriate to ask the members that are the backbone of your corporation, what they want to do about this?
w1lds1n3 > or are you afraid they'll all tell you to give it up?
Joe Phoenix > they are here to fight.
Joe Phoenix > if not they leave
Joe Phoenix > so its simple, you join our army you obay our rules.
w1lds1n3 > Strange, we haven't encountered any that wanted to fight us since the very beginning of the investigation.
w1lds1n3 > Most of them seem entirely oblivious to what's going on.
Joe Phoenix > thats bollucks
Joe Phoenix > oh yer because you can stay oblivious
Joe Phoenix > serously stop being stupid or your blocked
w1lds1n3 > So youre saying that you think it's alright to recruit new members, and not tell them beforehand that they're at war, and then after theyre in, that theyre expected to fight?
w1lds1n3 > Is that what you're telling me, Joe?
Joe Phoenix > evidence under duress is not valid
w1lds1n3 > Why would they lie to us about that?
w1lds1n3 > If they felt any loyalty to you at all, they would be saying the opposite.
Joe Phoenix > to make them feel less to stupid, to suvive, to let you hear what u want, for MONEY
w1lds1n3 > As I've said before, I have not paid any of your members, and if you'd like to pay for a 3rd party audit, I'd be happy to prove it to you.
Joe Phoenix > pak admited it
Joe Phoenix > now if there is somthing useful...
w1lds1n3 > No, I think by now it's become clear to me that you won't see logic or reason. My efforts to help you have been wasted.
w1lds1n3 > Good day, Joe.
The Joe Show...where Joe can't even take *great* advice.
Eventually, the conversation turns around to some of the best advice that Joe has recieved to date.
w1lds1n3 > I hope that wasn't your only Zephyr...
Joe Phoenix > ofcourse it was, you only got one
w1lds1n3 > Sorry for your loss.
w1lds1n3 > Actually, not really.
Joe Phoenix > its worth fuck all
w1lds1n3 > So I guess you didn't profit from that loss, eh? :)
Joe Phoenix > its hard ot profit from what is basicly a shuttle
Joe Phoenix > but yer i did
w1lds1n3 > Sure you did.
Joe Phoenix > no i did... really
Joe Phoenix > 2k
w1lds1n3 > I'm sure 2000 ISK will go a long way to fueling the war effort :)
Joe Phoenix > look after the pennies :P
w1lds1n3 > Shame, you could have sold it for at least 10mil
w1lds1n3 > I've seen them sell for as much as 100
w1lds1n3 > So if you consider your potential profit, you lost, big time.
Joe Phoenix > i don't know why...
Joe Phoenix > i could get 5 on them today for free
w1lds1n3 > Pics or it didn't happen/
Joe Phoenix > what?
w1lds1n3 > Nevermind.
w1lds1n3 > You know Joe, this investigation has been going on for 5 months now, and more and more people keep joining in. Do you think this is ever going to die down as long as you keep opening your mouth and providing everyone entertainment?
Joe Phoenix > well if idiots believe zedrik cayne what can u do.
Joe Phoenix > its wierd since i haven't said anything publicly for months.
w1lds1n3 > But you've said plenty in private, and I've inspected the log files myself, nothing has been faked, and you know it.
Joe Phoenix > ahhha yer right w1ld
w1lds1n3 > I don't need to believe Zedrik when all the evidence I've seen from other people's accounts, and my own talks with you point to the truth.
Joe Phoenix > what do you actuelly want wld, im very busy
w1lds1n3 > Zedrik is an honorable man. If you met his very simple terms, this would all be over. You could make an alt, put him in the CEO seat, and never speak a word on him, and still remain the "leader" and public face of the IC.
w1lds1n3 > And the IEEE and the rest of us would move on.
Joe Phoenix > AHHA
Joe Phoenix > sorry
Joe Phoenix > natural reaction
w1lds1n3 > The only one keeping this going is you, Joe.
Joe Phoenix > when i hear zedrik and honorable in the same sentance i have uncontrolable laught that sets in.
w1lds1n3 > Zedrik keeps his word. The same cannot be said for you.
w1lds1n3 > I hear Damien is still waiting for his manticore.
Joe Phoenix > ermmm yes it can
Joe Phoenix > i killed damien, he was a war target!
w1lds1n3 > You told him that you'd replace his ship.
Joe Phoenix > if he gets me zedriks corpse
Joe Phoenix > OH
Joe Phoenix > he must have missed that part out!
w1lds1n3 > But that's besides the point, the point is, all you'd need to do to end this is switch spots with an alt.
w1lds1n3 > As long as you keep your mouth shut, nobody would know.
Joe Phoenix > ahha yer and thats the point.
w1lds1n3 > And the investigation goes away. I give you my personal promise that as soon as this investigation is concluded to Zed's satisfaction, I will retract my own wardec.
Joe Phoenix > ahha you just don't get it,,
w1lds1n3 > What is there to get?
w1lds1n3 > You seem to throw that phrase around a lot, but you never can articulate what there is to get.
w1lds1n3 > Zedrik isn't doing this because he's out to get you, he's doing it because he's looking after the best interests of your corporations members. As long as you're CEO and calling the shots, they'll be in danger.
w1lds1n3 > You do not fulfill your duties as CEO by training them, leading them, or treating them with respect.
Joe Phoenix > bollucks!
w1lds1n3 > And don't tell me you do, because our many spies we've had in your corp say otherwise.
Joe Phoenix > that is bollucks and you know it.
w1lds1n3 > Well then we'll have to agree to disagree then, because the reports from the spies are quite damning.
w1lds1n3 > Spies and former members that is.
Joe Phoenix > infomation under duress is worth fuck all and you know it.
w1lds1n3 > Duress? I camped one of your members, but I did not kill him. I told him about the investigation, the current wars, and the danger he faced. He responded by telling me that he was not made aware of any of this by you, and made a decision to leave
w1lds1n3 > I then let him go unharmed.
w1lds1n3 > That's just ONE example.
w1lds1n3 > There have been many similar accounts.
Joe Phoenix > oh yer and the 20m didn't come into this at all
w1lds1n3 > I haven't paid a single ISK to any of your members.
w1lds1n3 > Paknac helped one of your already departed members get back on his feet, since he was completely broke.
w1lds1n3 > That was after he left.
Joe Phoenix > yer yer
Joe Phoenix > w1ld i cant stand liers... so stop trying to pull it off on me ok?
w1lds1n3 > I do not have any reason to lie to you.
Joe Phoenix > ofcourse you do
Joe Phoenix > zedrik is porbably paying you
w1lds1n3 > Believe it or not Joe, I am trying to help you out here by trying to reason with you.
w1lds1n3 > Hhaha, I wish he was...
w1lds1n3 > That'd be some nice easy income.
w1lds1n3 > Sadly that's not the case.
w1lds1n3 > I'm doing this of my own choice.
w1lds1n3 > As are my corpmates.
Joe Phoenix > for an attempt at fame
Joe Phoenix > which is very sad, i might just add
w1lds1n3 > Well, I won't lie, the attention is nice.
w1lds1n3 > A CEO has to make a name for himself and his corporation somehow.
w1lds1n3 > But that's not the main reason I'm doing it, that's just a welcome bonus.
w1lds1n3 > I told you Joe, I do not lie, for I have no reason to.
Joe Phoenix > by griefing a corp...
Joe Phoenix > on the band waggon of an insain syco
w1lds1n3 > Well, I am psychotic. Or at least, my character is.
w1lds1n3 > I have never denied that.
Joe Phoenix > you just don't get it.
w1lds1n3 > Enlighten me then.
Joe Phoenix > zedrik is boardering on getting banned
w1lds1n3 > Zedrik has no crossed that line yet.
w1lds1n3 > We'll see if and when he gets banned.
Joe Phoenix > i get a letter through my front door the other day... he's crossed the line
w1lds1n3 > And besides, the worst he'd get for a first offence is a temporary ban.
w1lds1n3 > Oh? And what did it say, Joe.
Joe Phoenix > i don't really want to say to be honest
w1lds1n3 > Then who was it from?
Joe Phoenix > wrather unplesent
Joe Phoenix > you think they'd give me a return address? or sign it?
w1lds1n3 > I am quite certain Zed would not stoop to the level of invading your personal life. If this letter really does exist, I can guarantee you it was not sent by Zedrik at the least.
w1lds1n3 > If you can't prove who sent it, then I don't see any bans forthcoming.
w1lds1n3 > Look Joe, I am trying to help you. Lets look at the facts, disregarding any personal issues:You are one man against an army of people who outclass you in skills and numbers. Because you don't seem to care about training your members
w1lds1n3 > you can't look to them for help.
w1lds1n3 > You've tried many things to dodge this war, from hiding in wormholes, to hiding in protected NRDS space
w1lds1n3 > Neither of which as stopped you from getting killed.
Joe Phoenix > no your not!
Joe Phoenix > your trying to make me loss this war
w1lds1n3 > Of course I am, because if you look at the facts, you'd realize that as of now, you *can't* win.
w1lds1n3 > I am trying to help you by making you see that you can end this, by losing. And then you can go on your merry way and do whatever you want.
w1lds1n3 > And no, simply surviving and continuing on isnt winning.
w1lds1n3 > That's just stubborness
Joe Phoenix > defiance againest impossible odds is in my blood.
w1lds1n3 > Whatever you feel is worth your subscription fees then... I can't imagine you think this is particularily fun.
Joe Phoenix > i don't pay for the game
w1lds1n3 > defiance against all logic and reason is not a virtue, Joe.
Joe Phoenix > oh there is always a reason
Joe Phoenix > thus there is always some kind of logic.
w1lds1n3 > A reasonable man would cut his losses, lick his wounds, and move on in this situation.
w1lds1n3 > Have I surrendered to wars before? Of course, because I was left with few other options.
Joe Phoenix > now i think your more concerned that zedrik will loss alot of respect if he losses the war with us.
Joe Phoenix > and that W1ld, is why nobody will remember your name...
w1lds1n3 > You still seem to be under the impression that the only reason I'm in this is for the fame.
w1lds1n3 > It's not.
Joe Phoenix > well then you must be an idiot
w1lds1n3 > And Zedrik will not lose. Not militarily anyway. Maybe he'll eventually get bored.
w1lds1n3 > Maybe I will too.
w1lds1n3 > So I'm an idiot now because I *don't* care if I get famous?
Joe Phoenix > you will, because i won't lose
w1lds1n3 > Boy you sure change your tune a lot.
Joe Phoenix > no your an idiot because you think blowing people up and attempting to destroy there home will somhow be positive for them?
w1lds1n3 > Yes, I do. My first few wars shaped my characters into what they are today. I used to be a carebear/industrialist. Now I have more fun destroying things than blowing them up.
w1lds1n3 > *creating them
w1lds1n3 > What you don't understand is how this war has evolved.
w1lds1n3 > It started as a simple violation of "standards and practices".
w1lds1n3 > Roleplay, basically.
w1lds1n3 > But you have made it deeply personal.
w1lds1n3 > If you can't realize that, than I really do pity you.
Joe Phoenix > you seem to believe i actuelly give a crap about zedriks little rules
w1lds1n3 > It's not about the standards or the practices anymore Joe.
w1lds1n3 > You crossed that line by insulting him, and his family, and just about anyone else who's aligned with him since.
Joe Phoenix > and why shouldn't i..
Joe Phoenix > iv had x1000 more insults
w1lds1n3 > Insults against your character, maybe. You really don't seem to be a good CEO. But I, nor Zedrik, have stooped to the level of insulting you personally
Joe Phoenix > oh enough about the bollucks ceo thing
w1lds1n3 > I would like to think that I myself anyway, have treated you with respect, even if I don't receive any from you.
Joe Phoenix > you just say that when you don't take into account the pressure the corp is under
Joe Phoenix > its stupid.
w1lds1n3 > The pressure your corp is under is entirely of your own making.
Joe Phoenix > no you'v been insulting...
w1lds1n3 > And entirely within your power to stop.
Joe Phoenix > ermm not really
w1lds1n3 > Joe, your corporation is a democracy, yes?
Joe Phoenix > because zedrik doesn't want a little corp showing eve that he has no power..
Joe Phoenix > no
w1lds1n3 > Well, even if it isn't, do you not think it would be appropriate to ask the members that are the backbone of your corporation, what they want to do about this?
w1lds1n3 > or are you afraid they'll all tell you to give it up?
Joe Phoenix > they are here to fight.
Joe Phoenix > if not they leave
Joe Phoenix > so its simple, you join our army you obay our rules.
w1lds1n3 > Strange, we haven't encountered any that wanted to fight us since the very beginning of the investigation.
w1lds1n3 > Most of them seem entirely oblivious to what's going on.
Joe Phoenix > thats bollucks
Joe Phoenix > oh yer because you can stay oblivious
Joe Phoenix > serously stop being stupid or your blocked
w1lds1n3 > So youre saying that you think it's alright to recruit new members, and not tell them beforehand that they're at war, and then after theyre in, that theyre expected to fight?
w1lds1n3 > Is that what you're telling me, Joe?
Joe Phoenix > evidence under duress is not valid
w1lds1n3 > Why would they lie to us about that?
w1lds1n3 > If they felt any loyalty to you at all, they would be saying the opposite.
Joe Phoenix > to make them feel less to stupid, to suvive, to let you hear what u want, for MONEY
w1lds1n3 > As I've said before, I have not paid any of your members, and if you'd like to pay for a 3rd party audit, I'd be happy to prove it to you.
Joe Phoenix > pak admited it
Joe Phoenix > now if there is somthing useful...
w1lds1n3 > No, I think by now it's become clear to me that you won't see logic or reason. My efforts to help you have been wasted.
w1lds1n3 > Good day, Joe.
The Joe Show...where Joe can't even take *great* advice.
Thursday, January 14, 2010
Joe Show (tm) The Story So Far...
Welcome to the Joe Show (tm)...TL;DR.
As avid followers of this blog know, the IEEE is embroiled in a long standing investigation of Joe Phoenix of the Imperial Commonwealth for many breaches of good standards and practices withrespect to the good operation of a corporation. This has brought the IEEE to the doorstep of Providence and Catch, where Joe is hiding behind the hospitality of CVA and the Providence Holders.
At the moment of writing of this blog entry. Paperwork has begun with CONCORD for investigational powers into CVA (and hopefully this time, all the i's will get dotted, t's crossed, and the 'vote' button actually pressed). Further paperwork will be filed in subsequent weeks for rotating investigations against each of the providence holders until such time as the Imperial Commonwealth is set
KOS in providence space, the IEEE exhausts its funds filing paperwork with CONCORD, the investigation against Joe Phoenix ends, or we get tired of it.
As this will probably garner a bunch of attention rather quickly, and not everyone wants to slog through the entire set of blog posts and forum threads. We have a dramatic re-creation of the events of the past five months that should serve as a TL;DR. (Note, the TL;DR will probably be relatively long..since, well, there is five months worth of stuff.) Any 'chatlog' like elements below are paraphrased for length, content, context, and in some cases comedic value. The actors playing the various players don't look exactly like they should, but we are running on a limited budget here.
Cast of Characters, in order of appearance:
Joe: The CEO of the Imperial Commonwealth. And alleged worst CEO in New Eden.
C&P: Denizens of the forum Crime and Punishment on the eve-online forums, too many to mention.
SSS: Members of the Serene Storm Society. Most notably Loquiel but others are included.
Lana: Lana Torrin, Best Torrin, CEO of the Minmatar Republic Military Skool. Also included are statement by Lana's Alt.
CONCORD: Our beloved police force.
Zed: The CEO of Standards and Practices [IEEE]
IC: Random folks in the Imperial Commonwealth, or recently left the Imperial Commonwealth.
ICSpy: Guys in the Imperial Commonwealth who were feeding information to the IEEE.
FormerIC: Guys in corporations started from guys who left the IC.
Trok: Trok Mienal, really nice guy, former member of the Imperial Commonwealth. Was just trying to help out..really!
Jehosh: Jehosh Farrfury, trusted member of the IEEE who has changed sides to good effect a couple times. Agent 00Farrfury.
HYDRA: Members of HYDRA RELOADED, great Allice! Too many to mention individually.
JITA: Residents of Jita.
Damien: Damien McCandles, trusted member of the IEEE.
Draco: Dracoknight, deputized IEEE agent no matter what corp he is currently in. Comes and goes from the IEEE.
CPP: The voice of CPP moderation.
CVA: Diplomatic voice of the CVA and Providence Holders.
ProvidenceResidents: Random residents of Providence
One day, in Crime and Punishment...
Joe> HELP! We are being griefed! We don't know why, omg!
C&P> Man up, learn to fight, dock up, go out in cheap ships, etc.
SSS> If you had not smacktalked when we stole a can of ore, we would not have declared war. (posts chatlog)
C&P> (reads chatlogs) Omg you get what you deserve, don't smack, learn to fight, dock up, go out in cheap ships, train ECM, cool story bro.
Joe> But you don't understand, we are peaceful and I am a buddist.
C&P> Huh? Lollercopter.
In a meeting room somewhere...
Lana> I am the head of a small mercenary crew. For a bunch of isk you can hire me.
Joe> All right!
Lana> Well..I will require payment up front...that's how this works.
Joe> Er...um... Take a check?
Lana> We will work something out..what have you got.
Joe> Here, have a bag of money.
Lana> Thank you.
Back in Crime and Punishment...
Lana> Well, Joe gave me this bag of money. Maybe he should have looked on the forums to see that I'm the head of a Skool, and as such, well, not really a merc...thanks for the isk!
Joe> RAGE! Anger!
C&P> Snicker! I have 17 mil, can I help. Over 9000! Because of Falcon! This will not be dealt with.
Back in another meeting room...
Joe> I'm going to wardec you!
Lana> Oh..EEEK! Wait...go right ahead.
In a third meeting room some time after that...
Lana> So Joe threatens to wardec me. It was amusing.
Zed> Hmmm..so has he?
Lana> No, not yet.
Zed> Hey...that's a pretty flagrant violation of good standards and practices...let me have a chat with the guy.
Deep in the bowels of a CONCORD burocracy...
Zed> I'd like to investigate Imperial Commonwealth, can I get the paperwork run through please?
CONCORD> Sure, fill out these forms, wait 24 hours, and then get back to us.
Back in Crime and Punishment...
Joe> Hi.
Zed> So, you've been talking with Lana, do you plan on declaring war?
Joe> Who the hell are you? I am not going to divulge sensitive information!
Zed> So you are not planning on declaring war? Its been over 48 hours since you threatened it. You sounded rather serious. Maybe I should start an investigation into your poor corporate standards
and practices.
Joe> Wait, who are you again? Why am I under investigation? You have no authority!
Zed> We will talk in the future.
Back at CONCORD....
Zed> Yes, I am going to need that license to investigate.
CONCORD> Here, it will cost you a few million isk.
Zed> *grumble* Processing fees...here you go.
On Crime and Punishment...
Zed> Well, we have opened an investigation against Imperial Commonwealth
C&P> Yay! Popcorn! This will be dealt with over 9000!
Joe> Lies and blasphemy! *whine* You have no authoritah!
C&P> Mmm...tasty, because of Falcon!
Joe> I am going to declare war, really! Maybe not.. My guys are stretched too thin! I'll hire someone!
Lana> Um, you just gave a bag of money to me, and were not planning on actually giving the rest of it to me.
C&P> You were going to reneg on a mercenary contract?!? Wtf? You paid Lana? Huh? Over 9000 isk? More than 17 mil?
SSS> Well, we're done with our part, its been fun..lots of stuff exploded.
Zed> You aren't teaching your guys to watch local, we keep killing them mining or running missions, its like they are not aware there is still a war going on. Wait, you are still hiring new guys?
Joe> All our pilots are willing to die! They pledged an oath! I'm still a buddist and don't believe in violence! I asked for help and you're all against me *whine*. And I tell my guys they are at
war, really! See all the warp core stabs they fit?
ICSpy> Um, no..but here, but Joe says we can win! And they will all get tired. And we'll get reimbursed for our losses!
IC> Um, but we didn't get anything... Maybe a little on occasion but not all we were promised.
C&P> *rabble* *rabble* *rabble*
Joe> You can't touch me *gank* *choke* *die*..need to fit more stabs!
Trok> I can't take all the death Joe's causing our guys..I'm kicking everyone I can out.
C&P> Awww...good move. Show's over I guess.
Joe> I will rise! See? I can still hire! Look, started an alt corp!
FormerIC> Um...we're not associated with you..go away. You're bad juju.
Joe> Traitor! *rabble*
Zed> Well..corp is pretty well dead.
Joe> I will rise from the ashes! You can't win! See all those guys who have dropped the wardecs! I *WON* against all those guys! I'm just gonna hire more guys!
Zed> Orly? Tell you what, I think you're the worst CEO in New Eden. How about you step down, let someone run the day to day, be the public face, you can be spiritual advisor or something.
Joe> You cannot win! NEVER!
Joe> I'll just stay docked up!
C&P> Mmm..tasty popcorn.
Joe> You're giving your kid CANCER by feeding her Jell-o!
C&P> Huh?!? Roflcopter!
IC> *dies doing missions* *dies mining* *leaves* (for almost 4 weeks)
Joe> I'm not leaving the Jita 4-4 docking ring!
Zed> Your guys are dying, and you're showing an incredible lack of leadership hiding in Jita 4-4.
C&P> Boring!
Joe> Jehosh, wanna PVP with me? I'll pay you to pvp against my drake in your Merlin.
Jehosh> Sure..*dies* *gets another ship* *dies*
Zed> What..Joe's actually aggressed? *pew pew pew*
Joe> *dies* DISHONORED 1v1 NO HONOR! That clone wasn't updated!
Zed> Oof...hey! Got a fresh Joe Corpse...unique, owner lost 250k SP because of it..nice tears frozen to corpse's face. Corpse grants +1 warp core strength.
JITA> Dude..let me buy that...here, have a bag of money!
Zed> Ching!
Joe> I know! You soon will not be able to have war with me! I have a surprise!
Zed> Hm..wonder what it is.
HYDRA> Welcome aboard Joe.
C&P> What!?! Joe has allice now?
Joe> AhHA! I hire again! Feel the might of HYDRA RELOADED!
Back at CONCORD...
HYDRA> Can we please accept the investigation as it stands and cut out those egregious war fees? Oh, we can do that? Its called making it 'mutual'? Sure...
CONCORD> Thank you, we will miss the fees, but its your choice.
On Crime and Punishment...
Joe> Ah ha! Not so tough are you now...I have powerful friends and an alliance!
HYDRA> You are now..REAR ADMIRAL Joe Phoenix!
Joe> Great success! Killed many enemy! Oops..Need help In Jita! ALARM! CALL TO ARMS! Why is nobody coming the second I call them! Move ships and pilots to Jita!
HYDRA> Um, we're not seeing very many results here Joe.
Joe> Nobody's listening to me
HYDRA> Everyone in Allice! Listen to Joe!
Joe> Move stuff to Jita! HALP!
Damien> Hm..let me undock this badger. *dies* *dies again*
Joe> Ha ha...Got your pod locked
Damien> Please! I've gotta go get these drugs moved!
Joe> Drugs? Boosters! *CHING* Where is manufacturing. Can you intercept and give me all those drugs? Its worth BILLIONS!!!?!?$$$$!?!
Draco> Look..I'm not happy here at the IEEE...Damien, you're going to screw the deal with the drugs..you didn't tell Joe did you?
Damien> Oops..look, I need my fix!
Joe> WOW!
In IEEE Corp Chat...
Damien> Hey, we've got something here...Joe thinks we are running boosters and selling them in Jita.
Zed> Huh? Cool..what do we do?
Draco> Um, I suppose we could let Joe kill you, mess around.
Zed> Um..sure...set it up..lets make it look good.
Zed> *gets brutix pwnt*
Damien> *gets manticore pwnt* At least Joe said he would buy me a new one all fit nice. Had to make it look good he said.
Crime and Punishment again, after a week of setting Joe up.
Joe> Aha! Pwnt you! Know you run drugs!
Zed> Orly?
Joe> Yeah, and that brutix you lost, it was because we had inside guys, Damien and Draco.
Zed> Oh, really? Hey, Damien, Draco...the jig is up...He just blew your cover.
Damien&Draco> Not really Joe..we've been playing you for the whole week. There's nothing really..by the way, where's Damien's Manticore?
Joe> GAH You can't win..nobody is paying attention! Why are you still after me?
C&P> Need an extra large bag of popcorn for all this. *munch* Joe, you fool..cool story bro. Because of Falcon!
Joe> ...
Joe> *Doesn't log on*
Zed> I'm bored, but hey..look...I see ThCeo and he just smacked me in local...time to take another run at him..Joe show on hiatus for a bit.
Zed> *spends a couple weeks lurking around 0.0...not very interesting*
A few weeks later, Crime and Punishment...
Zed> Hey, back in Jita..where's Joe?
ICSpy> Um, on a mission somewhere..RL thing.
Zed> Okay...hey, he's got more guys to kill! *goes hunting*
IC> *dies doing missions* *dies mining* *leaves*
C&P> Ooh..fireworks..pretty..
IC> Why, war? What? Nobody told me about war!
In Hydra Reloaded Alliance Chat...
Joe> WTF?! My guys dying! They ask for help in allice and get nothing...I'm out of here!
HYDRA> Huh?
Back in Crime and Punishment...
Zed> I got a nice mail saying Joe surrendered to the IEEE. Good choice surrendering!
HYDRA> Joe left with our CAP FLEET! Rear Admiral...why you leave! Didn't even say goodbye!
Joe> I didn't surrender..I left allice! I didn't mean to.NO!
HYDRA> Um, Joe left with Cap Fleet...please investigate? 1 isk.
Zed> Um, okay..seeing as he still hasn't stepped down.
Joe> Zed your wife is fat and your kid is a mutant!
C&P> Woah..dude...un-cool. (couple more wardecs)
Joe> I am invincible *dies hauling stuff Amarr->Jita* You can't win! *dies to gatecamp in rancer* NEVER!
Joe> And stop it..nobody's listening or interested! My friends are laughing at you!
C&P> Garcon? More popcorn please.
Joe> This merlin with two WCS is a shuttle..I even named it that!
C&P> *snicker*
Joe> I fit WCS when I don't want to get caught!
Joe> *dives into wormholes*
Jehosh> I'm switching sides! Long live the IC!
Jehosh> *follows Joe into wormhole*
Zed> *Probes out wormhole..gets good warp in from Jehosh*
Joe> *explodes..warps pod out*
Joe> But I didn't bookmark the wormhole out!
Zed> *Warps out of hole...waits a couple hours..goes back and finds Joe Corpse*
Zed> Fresh Joe Corpse! Joe committed suicide in a wormhole for this one...
JITA> Hey..I'll buy that too..
Joe> Nobody's paying attention Zed! Why are you still after me?
CCP> Um..this thread's run its course...locking it.
C&P> Awww..
Zed> New thread guys.
C&P> YAY!
Joe> *goes to providence*
Zed> Huh? Well..let's just see what's going on over there.
Joe> Hah, you can't touch me here! *dies to some other raider while ratting*
Zed> Orly?
Zed> Hmmm...
Joe> Why don't you come to CVA space...I'll 1v1 you here in my salvage ship!
Lana> Okay, which one of you in C&P gave him that idea?
Zed> Hm..he's running a plex..not in a belt..in Providence space...Can I get a warpin please? *pew pew pew pew pew*
Joe> OH OW HELP! PLEASE! RAIDERS! Er...Join my fleet to help me! AUUUUGH!
Joe> *dies*
Joe> GET'EM BOYS!
ProvidenceResidents> Huh? What? Where?
Joe> Everyone's really pissed at you now Zed! You're gonna die! You're gonna be KOS! *rage*
ProvidenceResidents> Dude..you need to relax.
In CVA diplomatic channels:
CVA> Um...unfortunately you've violated our rules...so we're going to set you KOS now m'kay?
Zed> No problem, but here, for protecting Joe. Let's open a side investigation. We'll start with CVA. By the way, here, have some forum threads to read.
Well..that pretty well brings us up to date. I've probably missed a lot of stuff. And might edit this later to add things or re-order it if I've gotten things out of order.
Welcome to the TL;DR version of the Joe Show (tm).
As avid followers of this blog know, the IEEE is embroiled in a long standing investigation of Joe Phoenix of the Imperial Commonwealth for many breaches of good standards and practices withrespect to the good operation of a corporation. This has brought the IEEE to the doorstep of Providence and Catch, where Joe is hiding behind the hospitality of CVA and the Providence Holders.
At the moment of writing of this blog entry. Paperwork has begun with CONCORD for investigational powers into CVA (and hopefully this time, all the i's will get dotted, t's crossed, and the 'vote' button actually pressed). Further paperwork will be filed in subsequent weeks for rotating investigations against each of the providence holders until such time as the Imperial Commonwealth is set
KOS in providence space, the IEEE exhausts its funds filing paperwork with CONCORD, the investigation against Joe Phoenix ends, or we get tired of it.
As this will probably garner a bunch of attention rather quickly, and not everyone wants to slog through the entire set of blog posts and forum threads. We have a dramatic re-creation of the events of the past five months that should serve as a TL;DR. (Note, the TL;DR will probably be relatively long..since, well, there is five months worth of stuff.) Any 'chatlog' like elements below are paraphrased for length, content, context, and in some cases comedic value. The actors playing the various players don't look exactly like they should, but we are running on a limited budget here.
Cast of Characters, in order of appearance:
Joe: The CEO of the Imperial Commonwealth. And alleged worst CEO in New Eden.
C&P: Denizens of the forum Crime and Punishment on the eve-online forums, too many to mention.
SSS: Members of the Serene Storm Society. Most notably Loquiel but others are included.
Lana: Lana Torrin, Best Torrin, CEO of the Minmatar Republic Military Skool. Also included are statement by Lana's Alt.
CONCORD: Our beloved police force.
Zed: The CEO of Standards and Practices [IEEE]
IC: Random folks in the Imperial Commonwealth, or recently left the Imperial Commonwealth.
ICSpy: Guys in the Imperial Commonwealth who were feeding information to the IEEE.
FormerIC: Guys in corporations started from guys who left the IC.
Trok: Trok Mienal, really nice guy, former member of the Imperial Commonwealth. Was just trying to help out..really!
Jehosh: Jehosh Farrfury, trusted member of the IEEE who has changed sides to good effect a couple times. Agent 00Farrfury.
HYDRA: Members of HYDRA RELOADED, great Allice! Too many to mention individually.
JITA: Residents of Jita.
Damien: Damien McCandles, trusted member of the IEEE.
Draco: Dracoknight, deputized IEEE agent no matter what corp he is currently in. Comes and goes from the IEEE.
CPP: The voice of CPP moderation.
CVA: Diplomatic voice of the CVA and Providence Holders.
ProvidenceResidents: Random residents of Providence
One day, in Crime and Punishment...
Joe> HELP! We are being griefed! We don't know why, omg!
C&P> Man up, learn to fight, dock up, go out in cheap ships, etc.
SSS> If you had not smacktalked when we stole a can of ore, we would not have declared war. (posts chatlog)
C&P> (reads chatlogs) Omg you get what you deserve, don't smack, learn to fight, dock up, go out in cheap ships, train ECM, cool story bro.
Joe> But you don't understand, we are peaceful and I am a buddist.
C&P> Huh? Lollercopter.
In a meeting room somewhere...
Lana> I am the head of a small mercenary crew. For a bunch of isk you can hire me.
Joe> All right!
Lana> Well..I will require payment up front...that's how this works.
Joe> Er...um... Take a check?
Lana> We will work something out..what have you got.
Joe> Here, have a bag of money.
Lana> Thank you.
Back in Crime and Punishment...
Lana> Well, Joe gave me this bag of money. Maybe he should have looked on the forums to see that I'm the head of a Skool, and as such, well, not really a merc...thanks for the isk!
Joe> RAGE! Anger!
C&P> Snicker! I have 17 mil, can I help. Over 9000! Because of Falcon! This will not be dealt with.
Back in another meeting room...
Joe> I'm going to wardec you!
Lana> Oh..EEEK! Wait...go right ahead.
In a third meeting room some time after that...
Lana> So Joe threatens to wardec me. It was amusing.
Zed> Hmmm..so has he?
Lana> No, not yet.
Zed> Hey...that's a pretty flagrant violation of good standards and practices...let me have a chat with the guy.
Deep in the bowels of a CONCORD burocracy...
Zed> I'd like to investigate Imperial Commonwealth, can I get the paperwork run through please?
CONCORD> Sure, fill out these forms, wait 24 hours, and then get back to us.
Back in Crime and Punishment...
Joe> Hi.
Zed> So, you've been talking with Lana, do you plan on declaring war?
Joe> Who the hell are you? I am not going to divulge sensitive information!
Zed> So you are not planning on declaring war? Its been over 48 hours since you threatened it. You sounded rather serious. Maybe I should start an investigation into your poor corporate standards
and practices.
Joe> Wait, who are you again? Why am I under investigation? You have no authority!
Zed> We will talk in the future.
Back at CONCORD....
Zed> Yes, I am going to need that license to investigate.
CONCORD> Here, it will cost you a few million isk.
Zed> *grumble* Processing fees...here you go.
On Crime and Punishment...
Zed> Well, we have opened an investigation against Imperial Commonwealth
C&P> Yay! Popcorn! This will be dealt with over 9000!
Joe> Lies and blasphemy! *whine* You have no authoritah!
C&P> Mmm...tasty, because of Falcon!
Joe> I am going to declare war, really! Maybe not.. My guys are stretched too thin! I'll hire someone!
Lana> Um, you just gave a bag of money to me, and were not planning on actually giving the rest of it to me.
C&P> You were going to reneg on a mercenary contract?!? Wtf? You paid Lana? Huh? Over 9000 isk? More than 17 mil?
SSS> Well, we're done with our part, its been fun..lots of stuff exploded.
Zed> You aren't teaching your guys to watch local, we keep killing them mining or running missions, its like they are not aware there is still a war going on. Wait, you are still hiring new guys?
Joe> All our pilots are willing to die! They pledged an oath! I'm still a buddist and don't believe in violence! I asked for help and you're all against me *whine*. And I tell my guys they are at
war, really! See all the warp core stabs they fit?
ICSpy> Um, no..but here, but Joe says we can win! And they will all get tired. And we'll get reimbursed for our losses!
IC> Um, but we didn't get anything... Maybe a little on occasion but not all we were promised.
C&P> *rabble* *rabble* *rabble*
Joe> You can't touch me *gank* *choke* *die*..need to fit more stabs!
Trok> I can't take all the death Joe's causing our guys..I'm kicking everyone I can out.
C&P> Awww...good move. Show's over I guess.
Joe> I will rise! See? I can still hire! Look, started an alt corp!
FormerIC> Um...we're not associated with you..go away. You're bad juju.
Joe> Traitor! *rabble*
Zed> Well..corp is pretty well dead.
Joe> I will rise from the ashes! You can't win! See all those guys who have dropped the wardecs! I *WON* against all those guys! I'm just gonna hire more guys!
Zed> Orly? Tell you what, I think you're the worst CEO in New Eden. How about you step down, let someone run the day to day, be the public face, you can be spiritual advisor or something.
Joe> You cannot win! NEVER!
Joe> I'll just stay docked up!
C&P> Mmm..tasty popcorn.
Joe> You're giving your kid CANCER by feeding her Jell-o!
C&P> Huh?!? Roflcopter!
IC> *dies doing missions* *dies mining* *leaves* (for almost 4 weeks)
Joe> I'm not leaving the Jita 4-4 docking ring!
Zed> Your guys are dying, and you're showing an incredible lack of leadership hiding in Jita 4-4.
C&P> Boring!
Joe> Jehosh, wanna PVP with me? I'll pay you to pvp against my drake in your Merlin.
Jehosh> Sure..*dies* *gets another ship* *dies*
Zed> What..Joe's actually aggressed? *pew pew pew*
Joe> *dies* DISHONORED 1v1 NO HONOR! That clone wasn't updated!
Zed> Oof...hey! Got a fresh Joe Corpse...unique, owner lost 250k SP because of it..nice tears frozen to corpse's face. Corpse grants +1 warp core strength.
JITA> Dude..let me buy that...here, have a bag of money!
Zed> Ching!
Joe> I know! You soon will not be able to have war with me! I have a surprise!
Zed> Hm..wonder what it is.
HYDRA> Welcome aboard Joe.
C&P> What!?! Joe has allice now?
Joe> AhHA! I hire again! Feel the might of HYDRA RELOADED!
Back at CONCORD...
HYDRA> Can we please accept the investigation as it stands and cut out those egregious war fees? Oh, we can do that? Its called making it 'mutual'? Sure...
CONCORD> Thank you, we will miss the fees, but its your choice.
On Crime and Punishment...
Joe> Ah ha! Not so tough are you now...I have powerful friends and an alliance!
HYDRA> You are now..REAR ADMIRAL Joe Phoenix!
Joe> Great success! Killed many enemy! Oops..Need help In Jita! ALARM! CALL TO ARMS! Why is nobody coming the second I call them! Move ships and pilots to Jita!
HYDRA> Um, we're not seeing very many results here Joe.
Joe> Nobody's listening to me
HYDRA> Everyone in Allice! Listen to Joe!
Joe> Move stuff to Jita! HALP!
Damien> Hm..let me undock this badger. *dies* *dies again*
Joe> Ha ha...Got your pod locked
Damien> Please! I've gotta go get these drugs moved!
Joe> Drugs? Boosters! *CHING* Where is manufacturing. Can you intercept and give me all those drugs? Its worth BILLIONS!!!?!?$$$$!?!
Draco> Look..I'm not happy here at the IEEE...Damien, you're going to screw the deal with the drugs..you didn't tell Joe did you?
Damien> Oops..look, I need my fix!
Joe> WOW!
In IEEE Corp Chat...
Damien> Hey, we've got something here...Joe thinks we are running boosters and selling them in Jita.
Zed> Huh? Cool..what do we do?
Draco> Um, I suppose we could let Joe kill you, mess around.
Zed> Um..sure...set it up..lets make it look good.
Zed> *gets brutix pwnt*
Damien> *gets manticore pwnt* At least Joe said he would buy me a new one all fit nice. Had to make it look good he said.
Crime and Punishment again, after a week of setting Joe up.
Joe> Aha! Pwnt you! Know you run drugs!
Zed> Orly?
Joe> Yeah, and that brutix you lost, it was because we had inside guys, Damien and Draco.
Zed> Oh, really? Hey, Damien, Draco...the jig is up...He just blew your cover.
Damien&Draco> Not really Joe..we've been playing you for the whole week. There's nothing really..by the way, where's Damien's Manticore?
Joe> GAH You can't win..nobody is paying attention! Why are you still after me?
C&P> Need an extra large bag of popcorn for all this. *munch* Joe, you fool..cool story bro. Because of Falcon!
Joe> ...
Joe> *Doesn't log on*
Zed> I'm bored, but hey..look...I see ThCeo and he just smacked me in local...time to take another run at him..Joe show on hiatus for a bit.
Zed> *spends a couple weeks lurking around 0.0...not very interesting*
A few weeks later, Crime and Punishment...
Zed> Hey, back in Jita..where's Joe?
ICSpy> Um, on a mission somewhere..RL thing.
Zed> Okay...hey, he's got more guys to kill! *goes hunting*
IC> *dies doing missions* *dies mining* *leaves*
C&P> Ooh..fireworks..pretty..
IC> Why, war? What? Nobody told me about war!
In Hydra Reloaded Alliance Chat...
Joe> WTF?! My guys dying! They ask for help in allice and get nothing...I'm out of here!
HYDRA> Huh?
Back in Crime and Punishment...
Zed> I got a nice mail saying Joe surrendered to the IEEE. Good choice surrendering!
HYDRA> Joe left with our CAP FLEET! Rear Admiral...why you leave! Didn't even say goodbye!
Joe> I didn't surrender..I left allice! I didn't mean to.NO!
HYDRA> Um, Joe left with Cap Fleet...please investigate? 1 isk.
Zed> Um, okay..seeing as he still hasn't stepped down.
Joe> Zed your wife is fat and your kid is a mutant!
C&P> Woah..dude...un-cool. (couple more wardecs)
Joe> I am invincible *dies hauling stuff Amarr->Jita* You can't win! *dies to gatecamp in rancer* NEVER!
Joe> And stop it..nobody's listening or interested! My friends are laughing at you!
C&P> Garcon? More popcorn please.
Joe> This merlin with two WCS is a shuttle..I even named it that!
C&P> *snicker*
Joe> I fit WCS when I don't want to get caught!
Joe> *dives into wormholes*
Jehosh> I'm switching sides! Long live the IC!
Jehosh> *follows Joe into wormhole*
Zed> *Probes out wormhole..gets good warp in from Jehosh*
Joe> *explodes..warps pod out*
Joe> But I didn't bookmark the wormhole out!
Zed> *Warps out of hole...waits a couple hours..goes back and finds Joe Corpse*
Zed> Fresh Joe Corpse! Joe committed suicide in a wormhole for this one...
JITA> Hey..I'll buy that too..
Joe> Nobody's paying attention Zed! Why are you still after me?
CCP> Um..this thread's run its course...locking it.
C&P> Awww..
Zed> New thread guys.
C&P> YAY!
Joe> *goes to providence*
Zed> Huh? Well..let's just see what's going on over there.
Joe> Hah, you can't touch me here! *dies to some other raider while ratting*
Zed> Orly?
Zed> Hmmm...
Joe> Why don't you come to CVA space...I'll 1v1 you here in my salvage ship!
Lana> Okay, which one of you in C&P gave him that idea?
Zed> Hm..he's running a plex..not in a belt..in Providence space...Can I get a warpin please? *pew pew pew pew pew*
Joe> OH OW HELP! PLEASE! RAIDERS! Er...Join my fleet to help me! AUUUUGH!
Joe> *dies*
Joe> GET'EM BOYS!
ProvidenceResidents> Huh? What? Where?
Joe> Everyone's really pissed at you now Zed! You're gonna die! You're gonna be KOS! *rage*
ProvidenceResidents> Dude..you need to relax.
In CVA diplomatic channels:
CVA> Um...unfortunately you've violated our rules...so we're going to set you KOS now m'kay?
Zed> No problem, but here, for protecting Joe. Let's open a side investigation. We'll start with CVA. By the way, here, have some forum threads to read.
Well..that pretty well brings us up to date. I've probably missed a lot of stuff. And might edit this later to add things or re-order it if I've gotten things out of order.
Welcome to the TL;DR version of the Joe Show (tm).
Sunday, January 10, 2010
The Joe Show. The counter investigation!
So, Joe has started his own investigation. He has been receiving losses in Providence lately, and...well..I'll let you read.
Zedrik Cayne > Yes Joe?
Joe Phoenix > I would like to request re-emberstement for ships that you have attacked in cva space.
Zedrik Cayne > I see, have you filled out the appropriate forms? One moment..I will forward you the URL.
Zedrik Cayne > Ah yes..here we go http://www.colddayinhell.com/reimbursement
Joe Phoenix > It was a serious request.
Zedrik Cayne > I know..and that is a serious response. You might...and I mean *might* recieve compensation for ships you have lost in CVA space should you step down from your stewardship of the IC.
Joe Phoenix > so you are refusing to obay CVA law?
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, spin this however you like. If you refuse to be reasonable, I see no reason to be reasonable to you.
Joe Phoenix > just a simple yes or no will do zedrik, are you refusing to obay CVA law?
Zedrik Cayne > I have been unfailingly polite despite your insults, boorishness, and now abuse of the providence holder's rules.
Zedrik Cayne > You will recieve compensation if and only if you do what is right, and step down from your leadership of the IC.
Joe Phoenix > please answer the question zedrik..
Joe Phoenix > That is not what the rules state.
Joe Phoenix > the rules state that anyone who attacks and /or destroys another ship is CVA space without this person first being red listed by the CVA, the attacking party MUST pay compansation.
Joe Phoenix > Are you saying you are an acception to this rule zedrik?
Joe Phoenix > again a simple yes or no will do.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe...you owe members of my corporation compensation. Until that is settled to Damien's satisfaction, you can take any request you make and go shake it out in public.
Joe Phoenix > please zedrik answer the question.
Zedrik Cayne > And once Damien is satisfied, you can step down, for that will satisfy me.
Joe Phoenix > are you an acception to this rule?
Zedrik Cayne > And after that, apply for your compensation.
Joe Phoenix > the rule doesn't state that the attack party must first be satisfied.
Joe Phoenix > It state that the attacking party must pay compansation to the pilot who was attack if this pilot was not first of the cva red list.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe..I am not going to compensate you while we are at war and while Damien is still owed compensation.
Joe Phoenix > now i will ask again, are you an acception?
Zedrik Cayne > You now know the steps you must take for reimbursement.
Joe Phoenix > the rules doesn't state that the party who was attacked must first obay the requestion of the attacking party.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, you have applied to me for compensation, correct?
Joe Phoenix > it simple says the attacking party must pay compansation to the attacked party in the event that the attacked party was not on the cva red list.
Zedrik Cayne > I have just told you what you must do for compensation.
Joe Phoenix > are you saying you are an acception to this rule?
Zedrik Cayne > If you chose to refuse to do that and apply to the CVA for their help...so be it.
Joe Phoenix > so you are saying you are an acception to the rule?
Zedrik Cayne > I believe you mean 'exception' and I am complying as far as I need to. You have the steps you must go through to get compensated.
Zedrik Cayne > The ball is in your court now.
Joe Phoenix > Please just answer the questions yes or no.
Joe Phoenix > do you admite to breaking cva rules?
Zedrik Cayne > I make no such admission. Any skant evidence you might provide is strictly heresay.
Zedrik Cayne > And given the number of times you have lied, to the IEEE and others. Your word is rather thin.
Joe Phoenix > on but we have 5 complete combat logs to back up the accusation including 3 indepent witness statements to support the claims.
Joe Phoenix > person insults are not required in this investigation, thank you
Joe Phoenix > I will ask for you to not do that again.
Zedrik Cayne > Or you will close the conversation and go and cry to CVA to protect you?
Joe Phoenix > SO you pleed innocent to attacking on numerous occasions IC ships in cva space...
Zedrik Cayne > Maybe you will insult my wife and child again?
Joe Phoenix > a simple yes or no will do..
Zedrik Cayne > Are answers more complex than 'yes' or 'no' vexing to you Joseph?
Joe Phoenix > please leave your personal life out of this investigation.
Zedrik Cayne > I am not the first person to bring them up during this investigation Joseph.
Joe Phoenix > its simply for clarification.
Joe Phoenix > now please, answer the question in a simple yes or no response.
Zedrik Cayne > At any rate. You have the conditions under which you may recieve compensation.
Joe Phoenix > so you are admitting to breaking cva rules and regulations?
Zedrik Cayne > What you choose to do with this information is up to you. Is there anything further?
Zedrik Cayne > I will neither admit nor deny anything to you until you have completed the compensation process which you have begun.
Zedrik Cayne > Will there be anything else?
Joe Phoenix > your demands are irrelivent.
Joe Phoenix > Do you admite to attacking commonwealth pilots in cva space?
Joe Phoenix > yes or no
Zedrik Cayne > I think they are extremely relevant. And you have applied to me for compensation. Before I continue with the talks of compensation we must no longer be at war, and all compensation which you have agreed to in the past with members of the IEEE past
Zedrik Cayne > and present must be fulfilled. At which point I will listen to your case.
Joe Phoenix > killing a war target in high security space is not again CVA rules.
Joe Phoenix > Killing IC members in CVA space is.
Joe Phoenix > SO do you admite you broke CVA rules.
Joe Phoenix > yes or no will do?
Joe Phoenix > .*
Zedrik Cayne > Again Joe...until you have completed you stepping down from the leadership of the IC and returned compensation to Damien and all other members of the IEEE past or present, your request for compensation will go nowhere.
Joe Phoenix > please answer the question, yes or no.
Zedrik Cayne > I am not even going to look at your request until the conditions are met.
Joe Phoenix > please answer the question.
Joe Phoenix > have you broken the law, yes or no.
Joe Phoenix > ok we will get back to that one.
Joe Phoenix > Where the other pilots that attacked ICS ships following your orders?
Zedrik Cayne > Until I can process your request...I do not have an answer to that question Joe.
Joe Phoenix > yes or no will do.
Joe Phoenix > where they following your orders?
Joe Phoenix > refusal to answer questions and you will be held in contempt.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, you have already shown plenty of contempt for me and the rest of the IEEE. We are used to it.
And Joe disconnects..but reconnects a minute later and starts on a different questioning line.
Zedrik Cayne > Yes Joe?
Joe Phoenix > i apologies for that.
Joe Phoenix > now do you admit to buying isk?
Joe Phoenix > a simple yes or no will do.
Zedrik Cayne > As i've said..My wife has for two years now purchased GTC for me for christmas.
Joe Phoenix > and your claims for buying isk independ of "christmas" ?
Zedrik Cayne quirks an eyebrow? I don't believe I have ever claimed to any isk in any way, shape or form outside of a few GTC.
Zedrik Cayne > But if you wish to level such accusations you are welcome to.
Joe Phoenix > That is not what our sources say.
Joe Phoenix > please allow us to look through your records to prove this.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, If you wish to pay a trusted third party to go through my records...be my guest.
Zedrik Cayne > I am certain you can do the research and find someone acceptable to us both.
Joe Phoenix > then why have you not done so with the IC?
Zedrik Cayne > Or, ask CCP to look into it. I am certain they could ferret something out if there were anything.
Zedrik Cayne > As for you. I don't care if you buy isk. Your non-adherance to good standards and practices are what concerns us at the IEEE.
Zedrik Cayne > I doubt you do purchase isk in any way. Since you obviously cannot afford to create an alliance.
Joe Phoenix > no i believe the fact a called your wife a fat bitch and your daughter a baby mutant is what you are interested in..
Zedrik Cayne > Despite claiming to be able to on multiple occasions.
Joe Phoenix > creating the alliance is on the agenda, but our greatest concern right now.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, your personal insults mean very little to me. As i know the source of the insults. And therefore the quality of said insults are very low, shallow, and not really worth dwelling upon.
Zedrik Cayne > Mind you..Others read those insults and are incensed. You might be well served to stop reminding folks about it.
Zedrik Cayne > So your greatest concern at the moment is...ratting in providence?
Joe Phoenix > Is it also true you bride members of the commonwealth to leave?
Joe Phoenix > yes or no will do.
Zedrik Cayne > I invite members of the commonwealth to leave or else we will continue to blow them up.
Zedrik Cayne > I understand one of my guys has given one of your ex employees 20 million isk. But I believe that was more or less a 'here..get back on your feet' present than a bribe.
Joe Phoenix > not according to him.
Zedrik Cayne > I assume you speak of Aidoh?
Joe Phoenix > yes
Right, I'd heard of this 20 million isk..so I invite the person who was in contact with the ex IC member to the conversation...this makes Joe...nervous or something.
Jindabyne > hello joe, again
Zedrik Cayne > Jinda...why did you give Aidoh 20 million isk?
Jindabyne > he was down on his luck, so i gave him 20 mil after he left IC
Joe Phoenix > this is againest the rules of this conversation, good bye
Jindabyne > i got the mail where Joe here tried to get aid to petition me as a bonus too
Zedrik Cayne > Heh...I wish Joe would tell me what the rules are for having a conversation is.
Zedrik Cayne > Thanks Jinda. o7
Jindabyne > seems very fluid
Jindabyne > np
Welcome to the Joe Show (tm) Where a counter investigation has started it would seem.
Zedrik Cayne > Yes Joe?
Joe Phoenix > I would like to request re-emberstement for ships that you have attacked in cva space.
Zedrik Cayne > I see, have you filled out the appropriate forms? One moment..I will forward you the URL.
Zedrik Cayne > Ah yes..here we go http://www.colddayinhell.com/reimbursement
Joe Phoenix > It was a serious request.
Zedrik Cayne > I know..and that is a serious response. You might...and I mean *might* recieve compensation for ships you have lost in CVA space should you step down from your stewardship of the IC.
Joe Phoenix > so you are refusing to obay CVA law?
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, spin this however you like. If you refuse to be reasonable, I see no reason to be reasonable to you.
Joe Phoenix > just a simple yes or no will do zedrik, are you refusing to obay CVA law?
Zedrik Cayne > I have been unfailingly polite despite your insults, boorishness, and now abuse of the providence holder's rules.
Zedrik Cayne > You will recieve compensation if and only if you do what is right, and step down from your leadership of the IC.
Joe Phoenix > please answer the question zedrik..
Joe Phoenix > That is not what the rules state.
Joe Phoenix > the rules state that anyone who attacks and /or destroys another ship is CVA space without this person first being red listed by the CVA, the attacking party MUST pay compansation.
Joe Phoenix > Are you saying you are an acception to this rule zedrik?
Joe Phoenix > again a simple yes or no will do.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe...you owe members of my corporation compensation. Until that is settled to Damien's satisfaction, you can take any request you make and go shake it out in public.
Joe Phoenix > please zedrik answer the question.
Zedrik Cayne > And once Damien is satisfied, you can step down, for that will satisfy me.
Joe Phoenix > are you an acception to this rule?
Zedrik Cayne > And after that, apply for your compensation.
Joe Phoenix > the rule doesn't state that the attack party must first be satisfied.
Joe Phoenix > It state that the attacking party must pay compansation to the pilot who was attack if this pilot was not first of the cva red list.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe..I am not going to compensate you while we are at war and while Damien is still owed compensation.
Joe Phoenix > now i will ask again, are you an acception?
Zedrik Cayne > You now know the steps you must take for reimbursement.
Joe Phoenix > the rules doesn't state that the party who was attacked must first obay the requestion of the attacking party.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, you have applied to me for compensation, correct?
Joe Phoenix > it simple says the attacking party must pay compansation to the attacked party in the event that the attacked party was not on the cva red list.
Zedrik Cayne > I have just told you what you must do for compensation.
Joe Phoenix > are you saying you are an acception to this rule?
Zedrik Cayne > If you chose to refuse to do that and apply to the CVA for their help...so be it.
Joe Phoenix > so you are saying you are an acception to the rule?
Zedrik Cayne > I believe you mean 'exception' and I am complying as far as I need to. You have the steps you must go through to get compensated.
Zedrik Cayne > The ball is in your court now.
Joe Phoenix > Please just answer the questions yes or no.
Joe Phoenix > do you admite to breaking cva rules?
Zedrik Cayne > I make no such admission. Any skant evidence you might provide is strictly heresay.
Zedrik Cayne > And given the number of times you have lied, to the IEEE and others. Your word is rather thin.
Joe Phoenix > on but we have 5 complete combat logs to back up the accusation including 3 indepent witness statements to support the claims.
Joe Phoenix > person insults are not required in this investigation, thank you
Joe Phoenix > I will ask for you to not do that again.
Zedrik Cayne > Or you will close the conversation and go and cry to CVA to protect you?
Joe Phoenix > SO you pleed innocent to attacking on numerous occasions IC ships in cva space...
Zedrik Cayne > Maybe you will insult my wife and child again?
Joe Phoenix > a simple yes or no will do..
Zedrik Cayne > Are answers more complex than 'yes' or 'no' vexing to you Joseph?
Joe Phoenix > please leave your personal life out of this investigation.
Zedrik Cayne > I am not the first person to bring them up during this investigation Joseph.
Joe Phoenix > its simply for clarification.
Joe Phoenix > now please, answer the question in a simple yes or no response.
Zedrik Cayne > At any rate. You have the conditions under which you may recieve compensation.
Joe Phoenix > so you are admitting to breaking cva rules and regulations?
Zedrik Cayne > What you choose to do with this information is up to you. Is there anything further?
Zedrik Cayne > I will neither admit nor deny anything to you until you have completed the compensation process which you have begun.
Zedrik Cayne > Will there be anything else?
Joe Phoenix > your demands are irrelivent.
Joe Phoenix > Do you admite to attacking commonwealth pilots in cva space?
Joe Phoenix > yes or no
Zedrik Cayne > I think they are extremely relevant. And you have applied to me for compensation. Before I continue with the talks of compensation we must no longer be at war, and all compensation which you have agreed to in the past with members of the IEEE past
Zedrik Cayne > and present must be fulfilled. At which point I will listen to your case.
Joe Phoenix > killing a war target in high security space is not again CVA rules.
Joe Phoenix > Killing IC members in CVA space is.
Joe Phoenix > SO do you admite you broke CVA rules.
Joe Phoenix > yes or no will do?
Joe Phoenix > .*
Zedrik Cayne > Again Joe...until you have completed you stepping down from the leadership of the IC and returned compensation to Damien and all other members of the IEEE past or present, your request for compensation will go nowhere.
Joe Phoenix > please answer the question, yes or no.
Zedrik Cayne > I am not even going to look at your request until the conditions are met.
Joe Phoenix > please answer the question.
Joe Phoenix > have you broken the law, yes or no.
Joe Phoenix > ok we will get back to that one.
Joe Phoenix > Where the other pilots that attacked ICS ships following your orders?
Zedrik Cayne > Until I can process your request...I do not have an answer to that question Joe.
Joe Phoenix > yes or no will do.
Joe Phoenix > where they following your orders?
Joe Phoenix > refusal to answer questions and you will be held in contempt.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, you have already shown plenty of contempt for me and the rest of the IEEE. We are used to it.
And Joe disconnects..but reconnects a minute later and starts on a different questioning line.
Zedrik Cayne > Yes Joe?
Joe Phoenix > i apologies for that.
Joe Phoenix > now do you admit to buying isk?
Joe Phoenix > a simple yes or no will do.
Zedrik Cayne > As i've said..My wife has for two years now purchased GTC for me for christmas.
Joe Phoenix > and your claims for buying isk independ of "christmas" ?
Zedrik Cayne quirks an eyebrow? I don't believe I have ever claimed to any isk in any way, shape or form outside of a few GTC.
Zedrik Cayne > But if you wish to level such accusations you are welcome to.
Joe Phoenix > That is not what our sources say.
Joe Phoenix > please allow us to look through your records to prove this.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, If you wish to pay a trusted third party to go through my records...be my guest.
Zedrik Cayne > I am certain you can do the research and find someone acceptable to us both.
Joe Phoenix > then why have you not done so with the IC?
Zedrik Cayne > Or, ask CCP to look into it. I am certain they could ferret something out if there were anything.
Zedrik Cayne > As for you. I don't care if you buy isk. Your non-adherance to good standards and practices are what concerns us at the IEEE.
Zedrik Cayne > I doubt you do purchase isk in any way. Since you obviously cannot afford to create an alliance.
Joe Phoenix > no i believe the fact a called your wife a fat bitch and your daughter a baby mutant is what you are interested in..
Zedrik Cayne > Despite claiming to be able to on multiple occasions.
Joe Phoenix > creating the alliance is on the agenda, but our greatest concern right now.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, your personal insults mean very little to me. As i know the source of the insults. And therefore the quality of said insults are very low, shallow, and not really worth dwelling upon.
Zedrik Cayne > Mind you..Others read those insults and are incensed. You might be well served to stop reminding folks about it.
Zedrik Cayne > So your greatest concern at the moment is...ratting in providence?
Joe Phoenix > Is it also true you bride members of the commonwealth to leave?
Joe Phoenix > yes or no will do.
Zedrik Cayne > I invite members of the commonwealth to leave or else we will continue to blow them up.
Zedrik Cayne > I understand one of my guys has given one of your ex employees 20 million isk. But I believe that was more or less a 'here..get back on your feet' present than a bribe.
Joe Phoenix > not according to him.
Zedrik Cayne > I assume you speak of Aidoh?
Joe Phoenix > yes
Right, I'd heard of this 20 million isk..so I invite the person who was in contact with the ex IC member to the conversation...this makes Joe...nervous or something.
Jindabyne > hello joe, again
Zedrik Cayne > Jinda...why did you give Aidoh 20 million isk?
Jindabyne > he was down on his luck, so i gave him 20 mil after he left IC
Joe Phoenix > this is againest the rules of this conversation, good bye
Jindabyne > i got the mail where Joe here tried to get aid to petition me as a bonus too
Zedrik Cayne > Heh...I wish Joe would tell me what the rules are for having a conversation is.
Zedrik Cayne > Thanks Jinda. o7
Jindabyne > seems very fluid
Jindabyne > np
Welcome to the Joe Show (tm) Where a counter investigation has started it would seem.
Saturday, January 9, 2010
Joe Show...the Providence edition.
Welcome to the Joe Show (tm) The 'Hiding in Providence' edition.
Most of these logs have been trimmed for length and content.
So I log on..and get a PC from Joe. He's trying to crow about getting some of my guys killed in CVA space. Using the CVA like his personal army...oh well..
Zedrik Cayne > Crikey...its Joe
Joe Phoenix > did you hear about todays narsty occurances..
Zedrik Cayne > No..but I'm sure you will say something about it...its your dime.
Joe Phoenix > just that your guys formed up a fleet and tryed to take out our flagship in cva space.. and now cva is banning you from their space.
Joe Phoenix > you obveasly can't obay the rules so...
Joe Phoenix > not very good practices...
Zedrik Cayne > Oh? I'm there right now.
Joe Phoenix > well i wouldn't stick around
Zedrik Cayne > They are not your personal army Joe.
Zedrik Cayne > I'm sure treating them as such will garner you no friends.
Joe Phoenix > oh i wish they where
Joe Phoenix > on no we are actuelly fighting to protect thier space..
Zedrik Cayne > The only one in danger in their space from us...is you Joe...
At this point..I actually enter the local he's in...one jump out of highsec...He seems to be completely oblivious about it.
Joe Phoenix > and this, is why you fail..
Zedrik Cayne > Why, because I don't actually wish anyone else in the CVA harm?
Joe Phoenix > no because your a slimy snake who isn't fouling the CVA for a second.
Zedrik Cayne > I'm not fouling them at all..just trying to kill you. Been on and about that since the beginning.
Joe Phoenix > yes we get it, your insain.
Joe Phoenix > with serious issues.
Zedrik Cayne > You've said that a few times... Changed speciality to psychology now?
Joe Phoenix > you don't need to have a degree to see that your off your head
Joe Phoenix > we'v estimated you'v spent over $400 worth of isk on this war..
Joe Phoenix > do you buy the isk?
Zedrik Cayne > Why should I?
Joe Phoenix > you couldn't fund yourself
Zedrik Cayne > My wife will be buying me a gtc for christmas.
Joe Phoenix > oh that will last.. a week
Joe Phoenix > oh less in a week or so
Joe Phoenix > i do find your attempt to stop us forming an alliance... funny
Zedrik Cayne > I don't want to stop you..
Zedrik Cayne > Please be my guest.
Zedrik Cayne > Invite your friends.
Joe Phoenix > to the convo?
Zedrik Cayne > I find it amusing that you cannot afford it.
Joe Phoenix > on thier right here laughing at you
Zedrik Cayne > No, into your alliance.
Joe Phoenix > no you don't
Joe Phoenix > WANKER!
Joe Phoenix > sorry
Joe Phoenix > room mate
Joe Phoenix > but he has a point
Joe Phoenix > oh and i believe one of your pilots took a pop shot at one of the CVA members.. bad idea
Joe Phoenix > very.. very bad idea..
Zedrik Cayne tsks...
Zedrik Cayne > You're not very threatening when you're hiding behind skirts.
Joe Phoenix > im not being threatening, im ratting
Joe Phoenix > however...
Joe Phoenix > I did see a funny thread about you the other day...
Joe Phoenix > well it was that, and somthing to do with a minor corporation standing up to your griefer armarder and make you look like a complete failure.
Joe Phoenix > funny stuff..
Zedrik Cayne > Oh, you must be speaking about the...um...Leverage thread.
Joe Phoenix > no! theirs a leverage thread?
Joe Phoenix > oh do tell!
Now..by this point..I've actually narrowed him down to a plex in local. Not a belt, a plex...so you can't call in the cavalry...at all...and one of my guys has gone and scanned him down and has him tackled.
Local lights up:
Joe Phoenix > guys im under attack by raiders...
Acer Scribnott > where?
CaptainOkuna > where?
Joe Phoenix > IEEE
Joe Phoenix > join fleet
Sal Tuskin > where joe
MiLojko > X
Joe Phoenix > sal zedrik is attacking me
Sal Tuskin > no i am not
CaptainOkuna > where?
Joe Phoenix > join fleet
Zedrik Cayne > Lies...lies.
Zedrik Cayne > He's trying to pull you off gate :)
Sal Tuskin > dam all them sals
Ellspeth Murdron > KES those kills gents
And...Joe explodes. (Welll...when he said I was attacking him..I hadn't actually started firing quite yet...so *technically* he was lying... and Joe was trying to pull guys off the gate...
Joe Phoenix > guys get that fuck for me
Ereshgikal > foe: stfu
Ereshgikal > sorry, JOE
Back in my private convo with Joe:
Joe Phoenix > oh well that sealed it
Joe Phoenix > very bad standards
Zedrik Cayne tsks...
Zedrik Cayne > You're the one who has been inviting us out here to shoot you Joe.
Zedrik Cayne > I would be a terrible nemesis if I didn't oblige you.
Joe Phoenix > wow that didn't go well for you old ZEDY
And Joe disconnects. He comes back online right about the time right quick. I'm sitting on a gate, lots of neutrals going in and out through. Nobody seems purturbed at all.
Joe Phoenix > how many of these fuckers did we get?
BrnooX > sry
MiLojko > they are niec ppl..... we got 4 btw
Joe Phoenix > nice?
Zedrik Cayne > Joe..these people are not your personal army.
Joe Phoenix > well they are PISSED with you now
Joe Phoenix > if you where not on the kos list, you are now
Zedrik Cayne > Gentlemen, if I could get a straw poll..how many folks in local are pissed at me?
Joe Phoenix > oh fuck off zedrik
Ellspeth Murdron > Joe you need to relax and stop talking
Ellspeth Murdron > or at least stop talking
Joe Phoenix > yes yes
MiLojko > I like the attempt at entertainment....
Joe Phoenix > but zedrik you'd better start running
Zedrik Cayne > If you would quit inviting us out here because everyone in the CVA will defend you. Then I might just stop coming out here.
Joe Phoenix > oh thats rich
Joe Phoenix > i invited you out here
Joe Phoenix > what a load of bollucks
Zedrik Cayne > These folks have their own idea of what is fun and good...and that's great..the only person in danger out here from us...is you.
Harry Eyeball > =-(( im not in danger
Zedrik Cayne > See...
Zedrik Cayne > Well..not from me :)
Harry Eyeball > in that case i quit
Zedrik Cayne > Can I have your stuff?
Joe Phoenix > zedrik these people are not idiots, you can't talk your way out of the KOS lost.
MiLojko > zedrik is kos?
Harry Eyeball > oh nice another red
Ellspeth Murdron > no he's not
Ellspeth Murdron > milojko... can you please KES that stuff?
Joe Phoenix > he will be
MiLojko > for smacking?
Joe Phoenix > two IEEE fleets attack cva today
Joe Phoenix > twice
Zedrik Cayne > No, two IEEE shot *you* today.
Ellspeth Murdron > joe you will not threaten other neutrals with being KOS...
Joe Phoenix > oh ok
Joe Phoenix > emir who just shot your ship?
Now...as a bit of explanation...Joe is referring to Emir Khan...a proud member of Hydra Reloaded...who are rather KOS in CVA space. We try to explain this to Joe.
Zedrik Cayne > Hydra Reloaded is KOS in this space joe.
Zedrik Cayne > Check the site.
Emir Khan > Napalm984
Joe Phoenix > im not hydra
Zedrik Cayne > But Emir is..please pay attention.
Joe Phoenix > according to you a stole thier capital fleet, remember?
Joe Phoenix > thank you emir
Emir Khan > no problem m8
Tucker Delago > emir is red joe
Zedrik Cayne > At any rate...I've got to afk...maybe I'll actually dock up.
Zedrik Cayne > Remember to read the Joe Show on the forums folks..find out interesting things about the people you fly with in Local.
Joe Phoenix > oh my god
Zedrik Cayne > http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1175981
Emir Khan > hey zed
Emir Khan > why dont u leave joe alone
Joe Phoenix > yer if you want to waste 8 hours of your life
Zedrik Cayne > http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1239481
Emir Khan > he's a nice guy
Zedrik Cayne > Because Joe is the worst ceo in Eve. That I've found at any rate.
Joe Phoenix > emir he's insain, just ignore him, he'l go away
Joe Phoenix > oh this is because i called your wife fat isn't it....
Zedrik Cayne > I cannot claim with *absolute* certainty that he is the worst. But if not the worst, at least in the top ten.
Harry Eyeball > im a pretty god awefull ceo
Joe Phoenix > yer yer sure zedrik
Joe Phoenix > HOWEVER
And I disconnect here...
As to the political situation. As far as we can tell, we are still not KOS in CVA space...if it does happen, it will just make it a bit more interesting to get to Joe.
I have read over my, chats with the CVA diplomats, and decided that instead of subjecting you to them...that I'll just say 'They do not recongnize our war against Joe.'
Most of these logs have been trimmed for length and content.
So I log on..and get a PC from Joe. He's trying to crow about getting some of my guys killed in CVA space. Using the CVA like his personal army...oh well..
Zedrik Cayne > Crikey...its Joe
Joe Phoenix > did you hear about todays narsty occurances..
Zedrik Cayne > No..but I'm sure you will say something about it...its your dime.
Joe Phoenix > just that your guys formed up a fleet and tryed to take out our flagship in cva space.. and now cva is banning you from their space.
Joe Phoenix > you obveasly can't obay the rules so...
Joe Phoenix > not very good practices...
Zedrik Cayne > Oh? I'm there right now.
Joe Phoenix > well i wouldn't stick around
Zedrik Cayne > They are not your personal army Joe.
Zedrik Cayne > I'm sure treating them as such will garner you no friends.
Joe Phoenix > oh i wish they where
Joe Phoenix > on no we are actuelly fighting to protect thier space..
Zedrik Cayne > The only one in danger in their space from us...is you Joe...
At this point..I actually enter the local he's in...one jump out of highsec...He seems to be completely oblivious about it.
Joe Phoenix > and this, is why you fail..
Zedrik Cayne > Why, because I don't actually wish anyone else in the CVA harm?
Joe Phoenix > no because your a slimy snake who isn't fouling the CVA for a second.
Zedrik Cayne > I'm not fouling them at all..just trying to kill you. Been on and about that since the beginning.
Joe Phoenix > yes we get it, your insain.
Joe Phoenix > with serious issues.
Zedrik Cayne > You've said that a few times... Changed speciality to psychology now?
Joe Phoenix > you don't need to have a degree to see that your off your head
Joe Phoenix > we'v estimated you'v spent over $400 worth of isk on this war..
Joe Phoenix > do you buy the isk?
Zedrik Cayne > Why should I?
Joe Phoenix > you couldn't fund yourself
Zedrik Cayne > My wife will be buying me a gtc for christmas.
Joe Phoenix > oh that will last.. a week
Joe Phoenix > oh less in a week or so
Joe Phoenix > i do find your attempt to stop us forming an alliance... funny
Zedrik Cayne > I don't want to stop you..
Zedrik Cayne > Please be my guest.
Zedrik Cayne > Invite your friends.
Joe Phoenix > to the convo?
Zedrik Cayne > I find it amusing that you cannot afford it.
Joe Phoenix > on thier right here laughing at you
Zedrik Cayne > No, into your alliance.
Joe Phoenix > no you don't
Joe Phoenix > WANKER!
Joe Phoenix > sorry
Joe Phoenix > room mate
Joe Phoenix > but he has a point
Joe Phoenix > oh and i believe one of your pilots took a pop shot at one of the CVA members.. bad idea
Joe Phoenix > very.. very bad idea..
Zedrik Cayne tsks...
Zedrik Cayne > You're not very threatening when you're hiding behind skirts.
Joe Phoenix > im not being threatening, im ratting
Joe Phoenix > however...
Joe Phoenix > I did see a funny thread about you the other day...
Joe Phoenix > well it was that, and somthing to do with a minor corporation standing up to your griefer armarder and make you look like a complete failure.
Joe Phoenix > funny stuff..
Zedrik Cayne > Oh, you must be speaking about the...um...Leverage thread.
Joe Phoenix > no! theirs a leverage thread?
Joe Phoenix > oh do tell!
Now..by this point..I've actually narrowed him down to a plex in local. Not a belt, a plex...so you can't call in the cavalry...at all...and one of my guys has gone and scanned him down and has him tackled.
Local lights up:
Joe Phoenix > guys im under attack by raiders...
Acer Scribnott > where?
CaptainOkuna > where?
Joe Phoenix > IEEE
Joe Phoenix > join fleet
Sal Tuskin > where joe
MiLojko > X
Joe Phoenix > sal zedrik is attacking me
Sal Tuskin > no i am not
CaptainOkuna > where?
Joe Phoenix > join fleet
Zedrik Cayne > Lies...lies.
Zedrik Cayne > He's trying to pull you off gate :)
Sal Tuskin > dam all them sals
Ellspeth Murdron > KES those kills gents
And...Joe explodes. (Welll...when he said I was attacking him..I hadn't actually started firing quite yet...so *technically* he was lying... and Joe was trying to pull guys off the gate...
Joe Phoenix > guys get that fuck for me
Ereshgikal > foe: stfu
Ereshgikal > sorry, JOE
Back in my private convo with Joe:
Joe Phoenix > oh well that sealed it
Joe Phoenix > very bad standards
Zedrik Cayne tsks...
Zedrik Cayne > You're the one who has been inviting us out here to shoot you Joe.
Zedrik Cayne > I would be a terrible nemesis if I didn't oblige you.
Joe Phoenix > wow that didn't go well for you old ZEDY
And Joe disconnects. He comes back online right about the time right quick. I'm sitting on a gate, lots of neutrals going in and out through. Nobody seems purturbed at all.
Joe Phoenix > how many of these fuckers did we get?
BrnooX > sry
MiLojko > they are niec ppl..... we got 4 btw
Joe Phoenix > nice?
Zedrik Cayne > Joe..these people are not your personal army.
Joe Phoenix > well they are PISSED with you now
Joe Phoenix > if you where not on the kos list, you are now
Zedrik Cayne > Gentlemen, if I could get a straw poll..how many folks in local are pissed at me?
Joe Phoenix > oh fuck off zedrik
Ellspeth Murdron > Joe you need to relax and stop talking
Ellspeth Murdron > or at least stop talking
Joe Phoenix > yes yes
MiLojko > I like the attempt at entertainment....
Joe Phoenix > but zedrik you'd better start running
Zedrik Cayne > If you would quit inviting us out here because everyone in the CVA will defend you. Then I might just stop coming out here.
Joe Phoenix > oh thats rich
Joe Phoenix > i invited you out here
Joe Phoenix > what a load of bollucks
Zedrik Cayne > These folks have their own idea of what is fun and good...and that's great..the only person in danger out here from us...is you.
Harry Eyeball > =-(( im not in danger
Zedrik Cayne > See...
Zedrik Cayne > Well..not from me :)
Harry Eyeball > in that case i quit
Zedrik Cayne > Can I have your stuff?
Joe Phoenix > zedrik these people are not idiots, you can't talk your way out of the KOS lost.
MiLojko > zedrik is kos?
Harry Eyeball > oh nice another red
Ellspeth Murdron > no he's not
Ellspeth Murdron > milojko... can you please KES that stuff?
Joe Phoenix > he will be
MiLojko > for smacking?
Joe Phoenix > two IEEE fleets attack cva today
Joe Phoenix > twice
Zedrik Cayne > No, two IEEE shot *you* today.
Ellspeth Murdron > joe you will not threaten other neutrals with being KOS...
Joe Phoenix > oh ok
Joe Phoenix > emir who just shot your ship?
Now...as a bit of explanation...Joe is referring to Emir Khan...a proud member of Hydra Reloaded...who are rather KOS in CVA space. We try to explain this to Joe.
Zedrik Cayne > Hydra Reloaded is KOS in this space joe.
Zedrik Cayne > Check the site.
Emir Khan > Napalm984
Joe Phoenix > im not hydra
Zedrik Cayne > But Emir is..please pay attention.
Joe Phoenix > according to you a stole thier capital fleet, remember?
Joe Phoenix > thank you emir
Emir Khan > no problem m8
Tucker Delago > emir is red joe
Zedrik Cayne > At any rate...I've got to afk...maybe I'll actually dock up.
Zedrik Cayne > Remember to read the Joe Show on the forums folks..find out interesting things about the people you fly with in Local.
Joe Phoenix > oh my god
Zedrik Cayne > http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1175981
Emir Khan > hey zed
Emir Khan > why dont u leave joe alone
Joe Phoenix > yer if you want to waste 8 hours of your life
Zedrik Cayne > http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1239481
Emir Khan > he's a nice guy
Zedrik Cayne > Because Joe is the worst ceo in Eve. That I've found at any rate.
Joe Phoenix > emir he's insain, just ignore him, he'l go away
Joe Phoenix > oh this is because i called your wife fat isn't it....
Zedrik Cayne > I cannot claim with *absolute* certainty that he is the worst. But if not the worst, at least in the top ten.
Harry Eyeball > im a pretty god awefull ceo
Joe Phoenix > yer yer sure zedrik
Joe Phoenix > HOWEVER
And I disconnect here...
As to the political situation. As far as we can tell, we are still not KOS in CVA space...if it does happen, it will just make it a bit more interesting to get to Joe.
I have read over my, chats with the CVA diplomats, and decided that instead of subjecting you to them...that I'll just say 'They do not recongnize our war against Joe.'
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