So, Joe has started his own investigation. He has been receiving losses in Providence lately, and...well..I'll let you read.
Zedrik Cayne > Yes Joe?
Joe Phoenix > I would like to request re-emberstement for ships that you have attacked in cva space.
Zedrik Cayne > I see, have you filled out the appropriate forms? One moment..I will forward you the URL.
Zedrik Cayne > Ah yes..here we go http://www.colddayinhell.com/reimbursement
Joe Phoenix > It was a serious request.
Zedrik Cayne > I know..and that is a serious response. You might...and I mean *might* recieve compensation for ships you have lost in CVA space should you step down from your stewardship of the IC.
Joe Phoenix > so you are refusing to obay CVA law?
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, spin this however you like. If you refuse to be reasonable, I see no reason to be reasonable to you.
Joe Phoenix > just a simple yes or no will do zedrik, are you refusing to obay CVA law?
Zedrik Cayne > I have been unfailingly polite despite your insults, boorishness, and now abuse of the providence holder's rules.
Zedrik Cayne > You will recieve compensation if and only if you do what is right, and step down from your leadership of the IC.
Joe Phoenix > please answer the question zedrik..
Joe Phoenix > That is not what the rules state.
Joe Phoenix > the rules state that anyone who attacks and /or destroys another ship is CVA space without this person first being red listed by the CVA, the attacking party MUST pay compansation.
Joe Phoenix > Are you saying you are an acception to this rule zedrik?
Joe Phoenix > again a simple yes or no will do.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe...you owe members of my corporation compensation. Until that is settled to Damien's satisfaction, you can take any request you make and go shake it out in public.
Joe Phoenix > please zedrik answer the question.
Zedrik Cayne > And once Damien is satisfied, you can step down, for that will satisfy me.
Joe Phoenix > are you an acception to this rule?
Zedrik Cayne > And after that, apply for your compensation.
Joe Phoenix > the rule doesn't state that the attack party must first be satisfied.
Joe Phoenix > It state that the attacking party must pay compansation to the pilot who was attack if this pilot was not first of the cva red list.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe..I am not going to compensate you while we are at war and while Damien is still owed compensation.
Joe Phoenix > now i will ask again, are you an acception?
Zedrik Cayne > You now know the steps you must take for reimbursement.
Joe Phoenix > the rules doesn't state that the party who was attacked must first obay the requestion of the attacking party.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, you have applied to me for compensation, correct?
Joe Phoenix > it simple says the attacking party must pay compansation to the attacked party in the event that the attacked party was not on the cva red list.
Zedrik Cayne > I have just told you what you must do for compensation.
Joe Phoenix > are you saying you are an acception to this rule?
Zedrik Cayne > If you chose to refuse to do that and apply to the CVA for their help...so be it.
Joe Phoenix > so you are saying you are an acception to the rule?
Zedrik Cayne > I believe you mean 'exception' and I am complying as far as I need to. You have the steps you must go through to get compensated.
Zedrik Cayne > The ball is in your court now.
Joe Phoenix > Please just answer the questions yes or no.
Joe Phoenix > do you admite to breaking cva rules?
Zedrik Cayne > I make no such admission. Any skant evidence you might provide is strictly heresay.
Zedrik Cayne > And given the number of times you have lied, to the IEEE and others. Your word is rather thin.
Joe Phoenix > on but we have 5 complete combat logs to back up the accusation including 3 indepent witness statements to support the claims.
Joe Phoenix > person insults are not required in this investigation, thank you
Joe Phoenix > I will ask for you to not do that again.
Zedrik Cayne > Or you will close the conversation and go and cry to CVA to protect you?
Joe Phoenix > SO you pleed innocent to attacking on numerous occasions IC ships in cva space...
Zedrik Cayne > Maybe you will insult my wife and child again?
Joe Phoenix > a simple yes or no will do..
Zedrik Cayne > Are answers more complex than 'yes' or 'no' vexing to you Joseph?
Joe Phoenix > please leave your personal life out of this investigation.
Zedrik Cayne > I am not the first person to bring them up during this investigation Joseph.
Joe Phoenix > its simply for clarification.
Joe Phoenix > now please, answer the question in a simple yes or no response.
Zedrik Cayne > At any rate. You have the conditions under which you may recieve compensation.
Joe Phoenix > so you are admitting to breaking cva rules and regulations?
Zedrik Cayne > What you choose to do with this information is up to you. Is there anything further?
Zedrik Cayne > I will neither admit nor deny anything to you until you have completed the compensation process which you have begun.
Zedrik Cayne > Will there be anything else?
Joe Phoenix > your demands are irrelivent.
Joe Phoenix > Do you admite to attacking commonwealth pilots in cva space?
Joe Phoenix > yes or no
Zedrik Cayne > I think they are extremely relevant. And you have applied to me for compensation. Before I continue with the talks of compensation we must no longer be at war, and all compensation which you have agreed to in the past with members of the IEEE past
Zedrik Cayne > and present must be fulfilled. At which point I will listen to your case.
Joe Phoenix > killing a war target in high security space is not again CVA rules.
Joe Phoenix > Killing IC members in CVA space is.
Joe Phoenix > SO do you admite you broke CVA rules.
Joe Phoenix > yes or no will do?
Joe Phoenix > .*
Zedrik Cayne > Again Joe...until you have completed you stepping down from the leadership of the IC and returned compensation to Damien and all other members of the IEEE past or present, your request for compensation will go nowhere.
Joe Phoenix > please answer the question, yes or no.
Zedrik Cayne > I am not even going to look at your request until the conditions are met.
Joe Phoenix > please answer the question.
Joe Phoenix > have you broken the law, yes or no.
Joe Phoenix > ok we will get back to that one.
Joe Phoenix > Where the other pilots that attacked ICS ships following your orders?
Zedrik Cayne > Until I can process your request...I do not have an answer to that question Joe.
Joe Phoenix > yes or no will do.
Joe Phoenix > where they following your orders?
Joe Phoenix > refusal to answer questions and you will be held in contempt.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, you have already shown plenty of contempt for me and the rest of the IEEE. We are used to it.
And Joe disconnects..but reconnects a minute later and starts on a different questioning line.
Zedrik Cayne > Yes Joe?
Joe Phoenix > i apologies for that.
Joe Phoenix > now do you admit to buying isk?
Joe Phoenix > a simple yes or no will do.
Zedrik Cayne > As i've said..My wife has for two years now purchased GTC for me for christmas.
Joe Phoenix > and your claims for buying isk independ of "christmas" ?
Zedrik Cayne quirks an eyebrow? I don't believe I have ever claimed to any isk in any way, shape or form outside of a few GTC.
Zedrik Cayne > But if you wish to level such accusations you are welcome to.
Joe Phoenix > That is not what our sources say.
Joe Phoenix > please allow us to look through your records to prove this.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, If you wish to pay a trusted third party to go through my records...be my guest.
Zedrik Cayne > I am certain you can do the research and find someone acceptable to us both.
Joe Phoenix > then why have you not done so with the IC?
Zedrik Cayne > Or, ask CCP to look into it. I am certain they could ferret something out if there were anything.
Zedrik Cayne > As for you. I don't care if you buy isk. Your non-adherance to good standards and practices are what concerns us at the IEEE.
Zedrik Cayne > I doubt you do purchase isk in any way. Since you obviously cannot afford to create an alliance.
Joe Phoenix > no i believe the fact a called your wife a fat bitch and your daughter a baby mutant is what you are interested in..
Zedrik Cayne > Despite claiming to be able to on multiple occasions.
Joe Phoenix > creating the alliance is on the agenda, but our greatest concern right now.
Zedrik Cayne > Joe, your personal insults mean very little to me. As i know the source of the insults. And therefore the quality of said insults are very low, shallow, and not really worth dwelling upon.
Zedrik Cayne > Mind you..Others read those insults and are incensed. You might be well served to stop reminding folks about it.
Zedrik Cayne > So your greatest concern at the moment is...ratting in providence?
Joe Phoenix > Is it also true you bride members of the commonwealth to leave?
Joe Phoenix > yes or no will do.
Zedrik Cayne > I invite members of the commonwealth to leave or else we will continue to blow them up.
Zedrik Cayne > I understand one of my guys has given one of your ex employees 20 million isk. But I believe that was more or less a 'here..get back on your feet' present than a bribe.
Joe Phoenix > not according to him.
Zedrik Cayne > I assume you speak of Aidoh?
Joe Phoenix > yes
Right, I'd heard of this 20 million isk..so I invite the person who was in contact with the ex IC member to the conversation...this makes Joe...nervous or something.
Jindabyne > hello joe, again
Zedrik Cayne > Jinda...why did you give Aidoh 20 million isk?
Jindabyne > he was down on his luck, so i gave him 20 mil after he left IC
Joe Phoenix > this is againest the rules of this conversation, good bye
Jindabyne > i got the mail where Joe here tried to get aid to petition me as a bonus too
Zedrik Cayne > Heh...I wish Joe would tell me what the rules are for having a conversation is.
Zedrik Cayne > Thanks Jinda. o7
Jindabyne > seems very fluid
Jindabyne > np
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