So, Damien gets an out of the blue convo from Joe.
Damien McCandless > Evening. How can I help you?
Damien McCandless > Hello?
Damien McCandless >
Joe Phoenix > hi damien
Joe Phoenix > was going to ask if you had considered my offer.
Damien McCandless > which offer is that?
Damien McCandless > well?
Joe Phoenix > about you guys joining the commonwealth.
Joe Phoenix > you seem like an alright guy and i really cant see you as being part of this gang of dickheads.
Damien McCandless > Joe seriously at the moment we have no reason to believe you that it would be a good idea. I mean, I havent been givven the Manticore you promised. How do we even know we wouldnt get ganged by your alt-corp as soon as we were in?
Joe Phoenix > why would we gang you...
Joe Phoenix > and if you joined up i would be happy to give you your manti
Joe Phoenix > but i cant give my enemies ships..
Damien McCandless > ah Joe but trust is hard to buy. This time Id need to see the godds up front or no deal at all Im afraid
Joe Phoenix > so i buy you a manti and you guys join the IC
Damien McCandless > You replace the manti I lost that last time I was with you and then I know you can be trusted
Damien McCandless > I cant spak for the others
Damien McCandless > Oh yeah watchout for the Rancer Gate Camp btw Joe
Joe Phoenix > im guessing you guys ran into that?
Damien McCandless > we ran around it
Joe Phoenix > you all seem very interested in me.
Damien McCandless > why wouldnt we be?
Joe Phoenix > haven't you got better things to do..
Damien McCandless > well my alt does yes ^^
Damien McCandless > but you owe me a manticore or satisfaction
Joe Phoenix > how long is zedrik going to keep this stupid thing up for?
Damien McCandless > Pretty much till he gets what he wants
Joe Phoenix > and what he wants.....
Damien McCandless > you know what he wants
Damien McCandless > your resignation as CEO
Damien McCandless > its what he has always wanted
Joe Phoenix > yer well he can go and fuck himself
Joe Phoenix > it doesn't matter how many times he calls me "the worst CEO in eve" or whatever
Joe Phoenix > its pathetic
Joe Phoenix > it really is..
Damien McCandless > Hey I dont really care, Im just in it for my Manticore these days
Joe Phoenix > you wont get that until the war is over
Damien McCandless > I wont leave the war till I get it
Damien McCandless > but as I said, Ill take satisfaction as a proxy
Joe Phoenix > you won't get it until you leave the war
Damien McCandless > satisfaction? I can only get that in war Joe, by destroying killing and/or looting. And I trust my ability to get that in war more than I trust you giving me a manticore if I make peace, Im afraid
Joe Phoenix > well then youv spent to much time around people like zedrik
Damien McCandless > Really? What sort of folk should I consort with?
Damien McCandless > But this isnt about me, its about you
Damien McCandless > Is this, the war, more annoying to you than if you quit as CEO?
Joe Phoenix > im not quiting as ceo
Joe Phoenix > not now, not ever
Damien McCandless > then the war will go on, as far as Zedrik is concerned
Damien McCandless > at least thats what he says
Joe Phoenix > soon he won't be able to...
Damien McCandless > why is that?
Joe Phoenix > it fairly simple really
Damien McCandless > Go on...
Joe Phoenix > you will know soon enough
Joe Phoenix > i don't think zedrik could afford 250m a week..
Damien McCandless > so another allice then?
Joe Phoenix > allice....
Joe Phoenix > yes
Joe Phoenix > anyway
Damien McCandless > I hear your making your own one
Joe Phoenix > oh, you may have heard correct
Damien McCandless > Mordred will be happy with that
Joe Phoenix > mordred?
Damien McCandless > yeah. he joined for MK wartargets. He would be happy to have more
Joe Phoenix > no no you don't understand
Damien McCandless > Im all ears go ahead
Joe Phoenix > damien im trying to decide if im going to block you or not
Damien McCandless > um ok.... well you should go with what your concience tells you
Joe Phoenix > tell me why i shouldn't have my entire corp block all members of the IEEE
Damien McCandless > because then you will never convince us of why we should follow Zed
Joe Phoenix > should...
Damien McCandless > shoudnt*
Damien McCandless > typo, sorry
Joe Phoenix > see i make a typo you have a go at me on the forum
Damien McCandless > I do?
Damien McCandless > The only thing I have a go about is my lack of fitted manticore
Joe Phoenix > the IEEE
Damien McCandless > well Im not the boss of them like
Joe Phoenix > your corp is messed up mate
Damien McCandless > IN what manner?
Joe Phoenix > you live to course people pain...
Damien McCandless > thats not true, well mostly not true
Joe Phoenix > oh....
Damien McCandless > What do you live for Joe?
Joe Phoenix > you do good things?
Damien McCandless > Whats your dreams?
Damien McCandless > In game I mean
Joe Phoenix > in and out of game i live to make a better world...
Joe Phoenix > have you ever been to a third world country befor...
Damien McCandless > yeah, but as I live in Belfast I wasnt that impressed
Joe Phoenix > you ever REALLY been to a third world country...
Joe Phoenix > iv seen stuff you wouldn't believe...
Joe Phoenix > stuff that would really change your life...
Damien McCandless > Hey now I may not have been in downtown Mogadishu but I do know that there is some really messed up stuff in the world
Joe Phoenix > you know i saved a person from malaria in gambia... guess how much it cost me?
Damien McCandless > 15p for a mosquito net?
Joe Phoenix > £2.50
Damien McCandless > I knew it was something like that
Joe Phoenix > £2.50 and i saved a boys life...
Damien McCandless > but then I do have an issue in a way with that
Joe Phoenix > now i come back, and there is zedrik cayne trying to make my life worse.....
Joe Phoenix > its un believable...
Damien McCandless > ok I think you have this back to front really
Damien McCandless > because just like you are treatingthe symptoms of a serious issue in real life and not the cause, you are doing the same in EVE
Joe Phoenix > i don't see how giving in the zedrik will cure the underlying hatred that is in eve...
Damien McCandless > Why is what Zedrik thinks more important to you than your own enjoyment?
Damien McCandless > and what makes you think that you can stop people hurting each other in this game?
Joe Phoenix > i don't give a fuck what zedrik cayne things
Damien McCandless > then just do it
Joe Phoenix > i care about the hatred he has
Damien McCandless > well how do you think uyou can cure that?
Damien McCandless > and why do you think he hates you?
Joe Phoenix > he hates the fact that i won't give in to him
Damien McCandless > Admittedly insulting his family probably didnt help that, you do understand that dont you?
Joe Phoenix > yes well he wasn't being a bunch of rosses to me either
Joe Phoenix > or my corp mates
Damien McCandless > yes but you really did cross a line and turn a lot of people against you and by extention to his side. Lets face it, he hadnt made it personal, and you made very insulting comments about his personal life
Damien McCandless > a lot of people think you did cross the line, no matter what either of you think
Joe Phoenix > oh he made it very personal
Damien McCandless > and if you dont care what people think, you will never win hearts and minds and make eve a "better place"
Damien McCandless > where I live the fighting didnt stop because people fought or argued, it stopped because both sides realised that giving a bit of ground to the other would work
Damien McCandless > basically if you do give a little, perhaps the IEEE can be convinced to get off your back
Joe Phoenix > resigning from the CEO is not a "little ground"
Damien McCandless > Is this just about the name ?
Damien McCandless > you could change to an alt with an alt corp and no one would know
Joe Phoenix > no its to do with the principle..
Damien McCandless > You would suffer this much over a principle?
Joe Phoenix > yes
Joe Phoenix > iv gtg, il see you later
Damien McCandless > we should talk more later